"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:56:52 +0100, sacha wrote:

On 2014-06-20 10:01:57 +0000, Martin said:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:02:47 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

On 2014-06-20 08:09:28 +0000, Martin said:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 20:38:56 +0100, sacha wrote:

On 2014-06-19 18:43:26 +0000, stuart noble said:

On 19/06/2014 15:07, Sacha wrote:
On 2014-06-18 16:47:57 +0000, stuart noble said:

On 18/06/2014 14:54, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:57:03 +0100, Saxman
wrote:

On 17/06/2014 21:19, David Hill wrote:
At Aldi this afternoon they had Veg plants, tomato, peppers,
chillies,
aubergines and I think cucumber plants in 9 inch pots at just
£2.99
and very good plants


Their hanging baskets are very cheap.

One of the reasons that British growers struggle to make a living.


I thought the Dutch were the main reason for that?

And those hanging baskets look cheap, imo. There's a paucity of
plants
in a green plastic bowl which the plants rarely fill or cover.

'One' of the reasons. Tesco sells plants, B&Q sells plants - many
others
sell plants, sometimes badly looked after and of the bog standard
type
but they're cheap, so... As one small nursery owner said to us "I
don't
sell bread or paint so why are they allowed to sell plants?" I'm
glad
to see there's a strong movement for supporting British cut flower
growers as opposed to buying foreign imports automatically. I hope
more
gardeners support small nurseries because if they don't, an awful
lot of
plants will be lost to the 'every day' gardener of the future.

I suppose the answer to that is nobody is stopping the nursery owner
selling bread or paint, or used cars for that matter. Sad state of
affairs I know but they call it the free market

Actually, we couldn't sell bread because there would be a million
hygiene rules attached; we couldn't sell paint because it's highly
inflammable etc. and as to used cars, 'change of use' probably
wouldn't
allow it. We're only allowed a Tea Room because it's an adjunct to
the
Nursery and "operates only when the Nursery is open". For example,
when we kept hens, I asked if we could use the eggs in the Tea Room.
No. We couldn't. But people who have their own hens can feed the eggs
to you at their B&B breakfasts

Are you sure that they can do it legally?
https://www.gov.uk/eggs-trade-regulations

I did ask the NFU at our local office and the girl there checked for
me. It's something to do with it being their own home, whereas we're
considered a 'catering establishment'. It's a minute change but an
important one.

It doesn't say anything like that in the regulations.
The regulations are ineffective any way as salmonella still exists in
mass
produced eggs. There was a report saying so published recently.

As far as I can see B&Bs should be treated the same way as your tea room.

I'm waiting for Janet's interpretation.


but we can't give you a poached egg on
toast, or use them in cake making. However, we could sell them marked
as 'ungraded'! If anyone can make sense of the thinking behind all
that and tell me this country encourages small businesses......they
should be running the country with a large pair of scissors for all
the
red tape.

The legislation was an attempt to control salmonella. There are
exceptions for
very small businesses.

It's still a ridiculous way to do it, imo. Either way we could be
passing salmonella around, had that been an issue with our hens.
Whether we give it to people in cakes or sell it to them in boxes seems
immaterial

I assume that Food Standards Agency inspectors regularly check that
your kitchen
is clean. Regulations like the ones governing eggs are an attempt to
ensure that
the food is too

They run a check every year and can make spot-checks 20 times a year if
they want to. You never know when they're coming, nor should you. They
are, of course, interested in cleanliness and hygiene of the
establishment. But one inspector who came about 4 years ago was
completely unaware that he hadn't seen the largest area in which the
public sit! It was only when I offered him cake to go with his coffee
while he wrote his report, that he said "oh I didn't realise this room
was here". He was sitting right beside the entrance! But the chief
interest is indeed in food hygiene practice, fridge temps etc. I
understand entirely the reasons for the regs re eggs but to be able to
sell them on the Tea Room counter but not use them in the Tea Room
kitchen is simply silly! However, it's just not worth flouting the
rules because if one does and is found out, it would probably mean
instant closure. As it is, we keep our local milkman happy by buying
vast quantities of milk and dozens of trays of free range eggs from him
all season! ;-)

From local York and Hull newspaper reports, they seem to be more interested
in
paper work than anything else. Incomplete paper work score 0/5 and gets
reported
to/in the local press, even though the owner has found the missing document
by
the next day.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc
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..
Try preparing food for Royalty!!

From sheer neglect and near demolition to recognition by Royalty in 4 years.

http://www.myalbum.co.uk/Album=AJVI337T

From 'nothing' to 'quite something', (which others throughout the country
seek advice) in 4 years

http://www.myalbum.co.uk/Album=QVGRAPUB

Take note of "Green Room Kitchen" and 'Green Room'. Made from 'nothing'.

(Thought I would add something to the thread and see if we can get it in the
Guinness Book of Records as the longest 'non pruned' thread)

Mike

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