Fran Farmer wrote:
Derald wrote:

Does anyone in the NG actually believe
the citation to have anything to do with science or research?

FFS! The place produces pigs!!! It's not some airy, fairy green space
for drugged up hippies.

it just seemed to me that Derald wanted to
rant.


ANY producer of animals who hopes to make a living from producing
animals keeps records. In fact in most cases the keeping of animal
production records is mandatory in order to be accountable to the Tax
regime in any country.

yep. among other things also being the natural
self interest in knowing how things are going.


The figures he gives about the numbers of piglets born, the number of
piglets weaned, the number suckled and the reduction of medication,. the
incidence of defects are all as much facts as are the information on
trial results presented by Monsanto.

it also says that he's paying attention to
details.


The only change (according to him) is in the food. You could quibble
that he may well be telling a lie about changing that but then the same
applies to what Monsanto says.

He's claiming to have done his figures over a sample of 30,000. That is
a big sample size. Monsanto would probably be pushed to produce any
equivalency for their trials that supposed provide similar proof of
safety.


....
Any animal producer who sees claims of increased production, less birth
defects, less disease and less medication knows that all of those things
are desirable outcomes.

not having to deal with a pig with the runs
would rank pretty high up there on my list if
i were a pig producer...


....
The pig producer gets increased returns form a change of feed. More
live births, less birth defects, less medication, and although he didn't
say it, more live pigs at the marketing stage therefore means more money
in his pocket. They are all "facts" that any agricultural producer
understands.

He's a pig producer. He's paying for the amount of work he has already
done and that amount of work is quite considerable. He's not a
university research scientist who may or may not be getting money from
Monsanto to do research in order to support Monsanto's claims of the
safety of Glyphosate. Hé salso not Monsanto who has very deep pockets.

agreed, the producer may have a bias against GMO
but i would say that the bias became an educated one
once his foreman picked up on it almost right away
(another observant fellow) and then he himself saw
those results continue.


songbird