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Old 04-12-2014, 08:52 PM posted to uk.rec.gardening,uk.d-i-y
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Default Preventing Frost damage by changing Air Humidity

Martin Brown wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Brian Gaff wrote


Sounds a bit sus to me, cos a by product of the combustion of paraffin
is water vapour.


Sounds like yet another urban myth to me.


Surely greenhouses are going to be close to 100%
relative humidity at night in weather cold enough
for frost to happen inside the greenhouse.


It is true that condensing and freezing of water vapour helps to hold the
interior temperature steady (as does having a large bulk of water).


I didn’t mean that, just that a tiny paraffin fuelled flame
is going to make no measurable difference to the RH.

I can't see that a very small flame burning paraffin
is going to make any measurable difference at all.


The humble nightlight/candle is good for ~100W


I don’t believe that. Electric nightlights are nothing like 100W

I'd guess a paraffin heater would be ~200-400W minimum.


He was talking about a tiny flame, don’t buy that either.

And if you have a too big paraffin lamp flame it will cover everything in
soot.


Don’t buy that either. There is no reason why a bigger paraffin
fuelled heater will produce any more soot than a smaller one.

Same if you don't allow some ventilation and your greenhouse is too well
sealed so that it gets low on oxygen


Can't see that either with the tiny flame he is talking about.

(also very bad for both you and the plants).


Not with the tiny flame he is talking about in a
greenhouse that will inevitably leak quite a bit.


john t west wrote


Looking at how some people are protecting their Green Houses against
the frost, i was surprised how tiny the flames were on the paraffin
heaters in the green houses. They were hardly giving off any heat at
all.


I was told its not about the 'Heat', but the fact that the flame
changes the 'relative humidity' in the air'.


Could anyone explain fairly simply, how this actually works?


The heat is also important.


Not with the tiny flame he is talking about.

Provided that you can replace most of the overnight losses


You can't with a tiny flame.

then it will keep it above freezing. A layer of bubblewrap on the glass
helps keep the heat in a lot better.


I prefer to keep mine about 4C on an electric thermostatic heater. Cacti
do not like the humidity that comes with paraffin.


But the greenhouse will inevitably be close to 100% RH at night in winter.