On 10/03/2015 10:24 AM, songbird wrote:
Fran Farmer wrote:
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Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and
who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on
topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when
those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality.

looks like a few random trolls to me, neither of
those folks seem to have posted here before much at
all and funny they both pop up on a topic that
they complain about being OT.

I don't recall ever seeing either name before this thread.

to have credibility it would help them if they
actually posted about gardening.

anyways, here is a way that CC will affect many
out west in the USoA, the snowpack this year is
miniscule, affecting 1/3 of the water supply that
many millions of people rely upon.

a fair amount of that snowpack is gone from
an obvious lack of precipitation, but it is made
much worse because the water systems out there
are built around using that snow pack as their
water storage. currently most of the areas seem
to be running at 10-20% of average.

what happens when the snows no longer fall as
snow, but end up as rain or when the snows are
sublimated off due to higher temperatures, well
that is a part of what we are getting now. the
water infrastructure is not built around rain
on the mountains.

to change that one aspect of the water systems
out there will cost many billions of dollars, they're
going to need bigger reservoirs to capture storm
water and store it to get them through the summer
months.

this will pretty much affect anyone out west who
wants to have a garden if they are trying to rely
upon water from the irrigation systems. and it
isn't going to be cheap.

some folks are drilling wells and supplementing
their irrigation by ground water. the problem
there is that everyone else around them is doing
the same thing and the ground water levels are
rapidly falling. prices for drilling? many
thousands of $ for how deep they have to go now
in some places and they don't even know how long
those wells will last. nothing out there is
measured, proven or regulated as of yet, they
are all taking more than is being recharged.

luckily, the past few weeks have improved the
snow pack in the Colorado River Basin (instead of
well below average most are now 10-20% from average,
some are even above average *whew* with some time
yet to go where we can get some more storms to
build up even more snow pack -- that would be great
as the reservoirs on the Colorado River are
approaching points where water will be reduced or
cut off to the most junior water rights holders).
yet another expense is required to build intakes
from Lake Mead to get water to Las Vegas, because
the lake is getting so low.

and as for the question about being a scientist,
yes, i am. nobody is paying me other than myself.

:-)) And less snow for water for the populace is only one of the signs
you've written about...... I keep wondering if it will take famine
conditions in the first world before some people finally manage to join
the dots.