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"paghat" wrote in message

Unlabeled because a fundamental DISHONESTY in this industry has lobbied
Congress and SUED organic farmers out of existence & done everything in
its considerable Monsantoesque authoritarianist POWER to keep the public
from HAVING A CHOICE.

Not much of a choice if its a meaningless word.
And on the other hand, eco-terrorists scaremongers come up with labels that
scare the public, and prevent a choice that way, since they brainwash the
public into believing that every genetic change is bad unless it occurred
randomly.

While you have delusions of greenies as terrorists, you fail even to
notice that all my citations in this thread have been of credible science
from university horticultural studies that show the known, proven,
extremely harmful effects that have already begun.

If it were such a great technology, the public would be given a choice.
Since they have PROVEN don't want us to have a choice, hence care NOTHING
about individual wishes, that suggests they may also not care about our
health.

Same about the the antis, who were (are?) even against rice with added
vitamins, simply because of their gut reaction and fear of any change at
all, even if proven non-harmful.

Cite. Don't just make stuff up as you go along.

Until the ecology industry stops being merely propogandistic & attempts
honesty why beleive anything they say, either? UNtil then it is rightly
assumed all claims of concern for human well being & health is mere pretense
and is actually done in the aim of keeping their vast industry of
scaremongering going.

While you have delusions of greenies as mere propogandists, you fail even
to notice that all my citations in this thread have been of credible
science from university horticultural studies that show the known, proven,
extremely harmful effects that have already begun.

Note that companies like Monsanto who dominate this field also dominate in
the field of toxic chemical pollutants which they likewise promote as safe
& healthful & through deceit & propoganda encourage people to dump
willynilly throughout the environment.

Note that companies such as Greenpeace who dominate this field also make
pronouncemenmts in entirely unrelated areas such as the Iraq war

While you have delusions about Greenpeace, you fail even to notice that
all my citations in this thread have been of credible science from
university horticultural studies that show the known, proven, extremely
harmful effects that have already begun.

. BTW, can
you show a source where MOnsanto or any other large organisation promotes
people dumping stuff? betcha cant

It is the stated, express purpose of Monsanto to sell herbicide-resistant
genetically altered crop seeds so that increasing amounts of their brands
of herbicides can be dumped onto the crops. It's the PRIMARY PURPOSE to
make it possible to dump increasing amounts of chemicals without it also
killing the crop. The herbicides, & not the crop seeds, are the main
source of their profits, & the more they can instruct their users to use,
the higher their profits go.

Every label on ever Monsanto product says to put their chemical mixes into
your immediate environment. Spray 'em, spread 'em, dump 'em. Every label,
not one exception. They wouldn't bother making it if that wasn't what they
wanted you to do.

This being so, you're just trollin', right? Or you're a secret greenie
trying to make all you anti-ecology Monsanto flacks look like retards. In
which case, thanks so much, & carry on!

Finally, because so many of the products are sterile OR re-propogation is
criminalized to protect the chemical & transgenic industry's profits,
farmers can no longer save their own seed for future crops, but are
imprisoned by the requirement of buying new seed for every crop. As this
industry muscles into third-world economies, they suck the lifeblood out
of already impoverished peoples.

Whereas eco-terrorists wish to prevent them having the choice of industrial
development, longer lives, and make them all small scale farmers tied to
medieval scale levels of wealth and health.

While you have delusions about ecologists as terrorists & organic farmers
as medieval, you fail even to notice that all my citations in this thread
as to the entirely proven dangers of transgenic plants cited independent
scientific studies. Either your m ethod is to argue by means of Red
Herrings because you don't have anything factual for your side, or you're
really so paranoid you can't tell a control study from a Greenpeace
pamphlet. Obviously the greenies t end to be on the correct side of these
matters, but when I count Monsanto propoganda, I don't do so with green
propoganda. I read at least the extracts & often the entire papers of the
actual independent science.

And the conclusions are clear. Crops with built-in insecticides cause
insect populations to become anywhere from three to twenty times harder to
kill with any pesticide. Allegedly sterile crops with built-in herbicides
cross-pollinate with weeds creating herbicide-resistant mutations of
invasive plants, & pollute organic farm strains.

Angelika Hilbeck at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich
warns about these side-effects of genetically manipulated crops. A panel
of scientists put together by the Royal Society of London last year
concluded categorically that the risks outweighed the benefits, though
some of them, a few years ago, did not believe this would be the
situation; now that such crops are in production & the harmful effects
measured, they are calling for harsher restrictions. The USDA cereal
beetle project found that insecticidal transgenic crops (all possible
harmfulness aside) didn't even work -- the beetles were impervious. In
some cases, the crops invited entirely new insects that hadn't previously
been interested in those crops. Benificial insects being killed; harmful
insects becoming three to twenty times more difficult to get rid of after
a single generation feeding on the transgenic crops. All this before
moving to the economic disaster of third-world countries having their
ability to replant their own crop seed undermined.

GeneTech of Australia is by & large pro-transgenics, but not as
propogandistically inclined as Monsanto, so doesn't sue organic farmers,
tell whoppers, or lobby politicians to pass laws outlawing honest
labeling. Instead, they admit that crops with enhanced BT insectides in
them are killing beneficial insects such as ladybug larvae, monarch
butterflies, & much else tragic & harmful to be lost. For these & other
reasons they support the Australian Gene Technology Regulator as hard wall
to get past when introducing genetically altered crops, & warn that even
this safegard "cannot predict all the health, environmental, economic or
social consequences, good or bad."

It may cream your willy that the science just about across-the-board
supports the greenies, & even the transgeneticists themselves if not
paid-off by Monsanto have serious doubts about the safety. Your
creamedwilly aside, the greenies aren't doing this science as your
paranoid responses suggest you believe. The greenies are merely crowing
about having been right all along. You're whinging over being so extremely
wrong.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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