On Thu, 29 May 2003 16:44:58 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2003 15:04:58 GMT, Malcolm wrote:


There is a similar vicious circle involved in food
production/processing/distribution.

Yeah but not many of us will deliberately coat liberal; quantities of
highly toxic poisons onto peoples foodstuffs, not knowingly anyway,
and then still claim innocence.

I think knowledgeable people here (uk.business.agriculture) have, and will,
challenge(d) your reference to "highly toxic poisons".

No doubt they will, I'll be happy sticking to the facts. They are
highly toxic, regardless the quantity used, I don't want them anywhere
near my food thanks.

The people who have the power to break these vicious circles are
governments. Unfortunately some of the actions they would need to take are
so disruptive and draconian that they recoil from them.

I blame the producers in equally parts, no one forces them to use
poisons, they choose to.

You say "they choose to" - what are other practical choices are available?

Accept less yields per acre, a yield where good, wholesome is
available for us all, a yield that was possible long before factory
farming became a reality.

There are only so many corners that can be cut, messing with my health
aint one of them.

Remember that "practical" includes issues of cost and saleability.

Practical ends as far as I am concerned when it's a choice between
poisoning people or not.

If you cannot earn a living doing a job properly, find another job.

No producer is going to waste money on "highly toxic poisons" if there are
less toxic, equally effective and/or cheaper alternatives.

No doubt Himmler thought along the same lines.

Anything that increases the cost of production moves the producer that much
closer to being priced out of the market - and out of business.

So find another job.

Most produce coming off farms goes directly or indirectly to supermarkets.
Guess who sets the prices that are paid for the produce.

Irrelevant. If I had a product for sale, it is at a price I can live
off, if that's not possible I find another job.

Supermarkets pride themselves on their ability to get what they need, of a
quality specified by them, at any time of the year, from almost anywhere in
the world. If the price is even fractionally too high the supermarket buyer
will so "NO".

Damn right too, don't blame the supermarkets for the mug farmer not
being able to manage his own business. You set a price you cannot go
below, it's how business works.

I have no sympathy for farmers brought up on subsidy mentality, it was
a golden goose, it's now gone, live with it and start running business
properly or find another job.

Most of us have had too.
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So, you dont like reasoned,
well thought out, civil debate?

I understand.

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