Larry Caldwell wrote in message t...
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So you see, besides fishery concerns, the Klamath Tribes are using the
water issues to leverage their cause.

Oh and the recent subsidy farmers to the area are Not???????

What would you do if you didn't have farmers to demonize? Don't you get
tired of being a hate monger?

Just responding to what you wrote!



How about those subsidized environmentalists? What makes them think they
can use federal lands like they want?


Or not use land as you want = a big difference!

Or how about subsidized commuters
in cities? What right do they have to expect government roads?

None = Why don't you end them?


Sometimes they may use the
environmentalists to make a point, but they have no illusions that the
environmentalists would support the tribes.

Hard to say! Incase after case, value habitat for endangered species
are found and welcomed on many reservations!

Endangered species are also found and welcomed on many farms. Are you
trying to play the old Noble Savage theme again?

Why all the squak about Prairie dogs and Preble's Meadow jumping mice
then???



They may dispute with the
farmers, but know that the farming community contains some of their most
solid supporters.

In what century? = not the 17th, 18th 19th, 20th or 21th as far as I
can see!

You are notoriously myopic. Of course you can't see it. You can't see
anything that would conflict with your hatred and prejudice.

Well the only articles I see from farmers are against the Klamath!

Farmers and Indians are united in their loathing of
Washington DC.

Fine = tell them they can no onger have any reservations as the
property rights fanatics see it = then see how they view it!

If you want to pick on lunatic extremists, the Indians have them too.

I was referring the the Termination:

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts/india...ml#Termination

Termination
In 1954, Congress passed legislation called the "Termination law."
This termination bill affected many Oregon Indians, as a terminated
tribe could not get education, health care, management of resources
and legal help from the federal government. Upon termination, the
reservations were closed and services were withdrawn.

At that time, there were 2,133 Klamath Indians and 2,081 Grand Ronde
and Siletz Indians. Approximately 864,820 acres of Indian trust land
was sold. The Termination Act names a total of 61 different groups in
Oregon, some of which had never been federally recognized, but were
included in the termination list to avoid any future claims. Not all
Oregon tribes, however, were terminated. Some Indian tribes like the
Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs had organized according to the
Indian Reorganization Act. They created self-governments and continued
to be recognized by the federal government. They were allowed to keep
most of their land and continued to receive assistance from the Bureau
of Indian Affairs. Restoration

In the 1970's, Indian tribes all over the United States felt a new
sense of identity and growing prides. Groups like the AIM (American
Indian Movement) were created. During that period, Congress gave back
tribal status to some terminated tribes. This continues today and is
called restoration.

Tribes can be restored and members can group back into the tribe.
Throughout Oregon, a new sense of Indian awareness began to grow. The
Siletz, Grand Ronde and the Klamath tribes have been restored and,
therefore have regained federal recognition. The Cow Creek Band of the
Upper Umpqua, the Coos, Lower Umpqua-Siuslaw, and the Coquille tribes
have been recognized by the United States government but have not
received reservation lands.

Other terminated tribes in Oregon have maintained their tribal
cultures and governments and are working to become restored.

The restoration policy does not include restoring reservation lands.
The tribes may be federally recognized, with federal services and
benefits, but without a land base. Grand Ronde and Siletz, however,
are two tribes which have been restored and were able to secure and
reestablish small reservations.



If the feds destroy the local economy, it will hurt the
Indians bad, because they depend on the white community for jobs.

Potato farming is highly mechanized = proove that the number of Native
Americans hired by those farms is significant!

The whole economy of the Upper Klamath depends on farming. There used to
be a forestry base, but extremists like you destroyed that. Now you are
out to destroy farming too. Where do you think the money will come from
if the area doesn't produce anything?

Seems if the Klamath had retianed the Land = It would be productive!

If you
destroy the farming economy of the basin, you push another 20% of the
Indian population below the poverty line.

So, the aRMS ARE EMPLOYING 20% OF THE RESERVATION POPULATION????

What is an aRMS?

Farms!

And there is no reservation, did you forget? The
Indians live in the community right along side the whites.

And why is that = see 1954 termination above!



http://www.indiancountry.com/?390

excerpt:

What Walker does not mention is that several local businesses have
taken measures widely perceived to be anti-Indian. One local Klamath
Falls eatery is selling a cod-based sandwich that they advertise as a
"Sucker Fish Sandwich." The proceeds from sales of the sandwich are
going to fight the Endangered Species Act.

You love to feed the hatred between people, don't you?

Oh the search was full of such!

It's bread and
butter to hate mongers like you.


Bread and butter = comsumptive extraction = what do you mean!

There's a big difference between a
sucker fish and an Indian, and a bigger difference between the ESA and
Indian politics.

Name one environmentalist group that has come out in favor of tribal
lands restoration. Can you name even one? I bet you can't.

Me!