Just stumbled into this NG. Seems it should be fun...even if I'm
probably
only adding fuel to the fire... --"Sunny")



That's 'cause few countries really CARE that they're depleting
their
resources. I suggest going to the library and picking up a book or
scientific journal that profiles Madagascar or the Amazon Rainforest.
Don't
just focus on North America! We're doing pretty good, in comparison.

SUNNY, you strike me as a defensive teenager, but i'm prepared to give
you the benefit of the doubt for now.
I'm looking for someone to provide proof of a depletion crises, i
already know appalling practices occur, but, unless anyone can produce
proof, these appalling practices are obviously being effectively
countered by conservation and aforestation.
Also, whilst sad, if the Amazon is depleted, it will obviously be
countered elsewhere by aforestation, otherwise "proof" of global
depletion could be produced, there is no proof, therefore there is no
threat of depletion, just angry tree lovers{mainly unemployed and
emotionally unstable}.




^^ Never listen to Greenpeace spokespeople. They're crazy.

Sorry, way too stereotypical, save your teenage bluster for someone of
much lower intelligence and much higher gullibility.


^^ Stick to scientific sources. They at least study their material.
(And
it looks to me like there are sciencey people here. You should
actually
consider what they say. They know stuff.)

I've considered what they've said, and it has backed my intitial
feeling that a depletion crises within 20-50 is a hoax, and because of
the counter measures, it will be a perpetual hoax designed to increase
the profit margins of environmental groups.

^^^And what more do we need than proof of unpleasant ecological
practices?
If we're practicing badly, it will END badly. The greater portion of
the
world does not take care of their environments, and that presents a
CRISIS.

Please present scientific "evidence", not just your testosterone
induced assertions, unpleasent worldwide practices are "obviously"
being countered, your lack of proof of a depletion crises confirms
this.


^^^As I said above - don't stick to the practices in North America.
Look at
China! Look at Brazil! Look at Madagascar! Look at Russia! It's
BAD, BAD
news for their environments - and they're doing little to stop it! As
they
develop - and as technology develops more rapidly - it's only going to
get
worse.

It may get worse in "those" area's, but obviously the global effect is
being countered, just provide proof that it's not.


^^ What you speak of is what is known as "urban forestry." However,
it
does not represent real forest ecology.

So what, explain the necessity of native forests beyond carbon sinks
and oxygen respiration.


^^ A treelined boulevard does not a
forest make. Sure, it helps the environment, but a woodpecker that
needs an
old growth snag to nest in is NOT going to survive in a puny little
alder
that's been planted along a boulevard. You cannot think in terms of
merely
trees when you think of deforestation. You must think of their
inhabitants - if you are considering the environment at all.


I don't want wildlife hurt or killed anymore than you do, but our
global societies function depends on utilizing raw materials, and like
it or not, that means death to x amount of wildlife per year.


LOL again, buddy, if you or anyone is going to announce that we
have a
depletion crises as distinct from numerous unpleasant and locally
unsustainable acts of environmental destruction, then YOU "must" have
the criteria and the researched data at hand, you must be able to
quote it to whoever enquires, otherwise you are merely exaggerating an
unpleasant global occurance.


^^Golly - then show us mathematical evidence and research that YOU've
found or collected to back up your claim that deforestation is a hoax.
Come
on, it's only fair!

My teenage friend, i've looked at various eco-sites and done google
searches, and cannot find "any" evidence of a depletion crises, i can
find plenty of evidence of poor environmental practices, but these
localized problems are being countered globally by aforestation,
otherwise you'd have proof of depletion beyond your personalized
assertation.


Someone mentioned to me that the forests would be gone by 2050 or
something, i went ahead and looked for both the criteria and data,
i've yet to find it, and even a specialist forestry NG has nothing
more than the usual tree hugging mantra.


^^Speculation is not data. Listen to data, and take speculation with
a
grain of salt. Do not use it to accuse people who have not made that
speculation.

Exactly, data, empirical evidence, collated by respected authorities
counts as information.

^^And I think I read everyone's posts on this topic, and no one
said that. They're all presenting a realistic viewpoint based on the
data
they DO have. They will not satisfy you, because you do not wish to
be
satisfied by people's educated comments.

The topic was "The deforestation hoax", i've assumed that i'd get
either yay or nay, i've got opinions, all of them worthless as to
answering my question of the truth of a depletion crises.
"Educated comments" by uninformed or unarmed people, experts or not,
is meaningless noise as to my question, the only meaningful
information is the collated data that reveals a deforestation crises,
that data has yet to surface, and i don't think it will.

^^And, dude - you're posting to a NEWSGROUP. They all enjoy their
field,
and are concerned with their local environment, because it is their
area of
expertise.
Go harass an ecology professor, or something...

Go listen to a Britney Spears CD/DVD.




^^Forestry practices have been in the process of changing since the
1970s.
Research regarding sustainability and various other harvesting issues
is
just now coming to light. Take that into consideration, and read some
books, scientific journals, and credible websites for the information
you
seek. Or consult a professor at a university that carries a global
forestry
or ecology program.


Don't be ridiculous, what do you think Greenpeace or WWF are doing in
their spare time, LOL, if evidence existed, GP and the WWF would have
it on display on their websites, they don't display it as it doesn't
exist.



^^ WOW. In all my days in college, majoring in Environmental Science,
my
professor would not have allowed me to use newsgroup postings as
legitimate
source material for research papers or, more importantly, to formulate
educated opinions and life decisions - no matter who posted to them.

WOW back at ya, let me make it clear to you that if evidence of a
depletion crises existed, someone on a specialist NG would have it or
could direct me to it, this evidence would be collated and
interpretated, i wouldn't be doing the job of 100's of people.



^^It
sounds like you have a problem with the PEOPLE who post here, not the
material they wish to discuss. Not to disparage anyone who frequents
this
NG - for they've made a valiant effort to placate your bellig...er,
dissatisfaction - but there are far more experts in the world than
hang out
at this site. I reiterate: GO READ A BOOK.

I've read more books in the last 2 yrs than you've read in your
teenage life.

Seriously - dude - you're posting to a newsgroup. You asked
questions.
They answered. Do your own research and collect your own data if
you're not
satisfied.

THE DATA DOESN'T EXIST FOOL, IF IT DID, GREENPEACE OR WWF WOULD
DISPLAY IT ON THEIR WEBSITE.


^^ I'd like to state, though, that your questions are not hard - and
certainly not philosophical.

Becareful my scientific friend, you won't be the first over confindent
fool who i educate.

I bet you could find some published statistics
to answer your questions just as easily. Your local university
library
probably has tons more satisfactory information in the form of
scientific
journals - in which hard data has been collected over the course of
years
and then published, with all the mathematical information included.
They're
kind of hard to read, because they're saturated with science and
numbers -
but don't let that stop you!

THE DATA DOESN'T EXIST FOOL, IF IT DID, GREENPEACE OR WWF WOULD
DISPLAY IT ON THEIR WEBSITE.






And, I hate to break it to you, but commercialism runs the world -

I hate to break it to you that atheism including superficial religion
runs the world, commercialism is the practical application of the
underlying mentality of the world's current masters.


Really, you're wasting a lot of steam trying to force your views
on
others when you merely "asked questions."


LOL, grow up son.

^^ Here is a slightly different scenerio to put your questioning in
perspective: A Washington State Salmon Fisheries expert could
probably give
you a lot of evidence regarding the depletion of wild salmon due to
loss of
spawning territory; but if you're looking for statistics for loss of
fish
worldwide due to their inability to procreate in an optimal
environment, you
just have to ask someone else - probably lots of someone elses! And
you
just might have to read a book. Anyone who's had to write a
scientific
paper to be graded by a critical hand knows this.

Fool, anyone who can think independently would know that if evidence
existed it would have been offered to the world.



Umm...so, yeah. That's my $20.00.
--Sunny

It was all crap, but you'll grow out of it.

Cheers.

Kabana.