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Trier sounds like my kinda rose. I read somewhere that a lot of the
Trier sold in USA are Moonlight. What do I know. I grow Moonlight, and
it taint nearly as big as you Trier. Wide and layered, not big and
tall.

Wow, what a scam, what a travesty, I grew Moonlight for several years
actually.
A few years back I moved a bunch of roses and dropped the level of this
one area down to its original level. I left Moonlight to its fate which it
finally met last year. The stickiness and the flowers, to some degree, are
similar, I guess they'd have to be. heheh. Seriously I used to pamper that
thing--and it's unforgiving and a mean sob-- but it just never wanted to
grow,
never appreciated all those times I pulled the tall grass outa the
beeeeitch.
And watered it special.
Moonlight, a rose named Moonlight should be a no-brainer, should kill
everything under it, not have to worry about gd grass. I think I was taken
in by the line in the catalog that went something like 'lights up the night
garden like searchlights'.

Yeah, some northern roser used to wax poetic about Moonlight in the
night garden. Smells good. How the hell did he keep it alive, you
wonder. HM's aren't terribly hardy, Regina tells me.

every aspect of Moonlight was a surprise and disappointment. I will faithfully
cultivate any rose I plant, meaning I will keep the tall grass generally out of
its face while it's getting extablished, but at some point I expect the rose
to help me out some. This one was simply content with bloodying my knuckles
and the reward was way below the bottom line of what was necessary. So I
left it to its own designs, which were totally predictable. I think names like
Moonlight should be reserved for roses which grow everywhere there's moonlight.
After this experience, right or wrong, I have left all Hybrid Musks on the
catalog pages.
It's one of the more ambiguous rose classifications in the first place--
the parentage of Moonlight is Trier x Sulphurea. Trier is a Hybrid Multiflora
and Sulphurea is a Tea. So where's the Musk?
Tea Roses aren't particularly known for their hardiness? hahahaha


http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...ages/Flora.jpg

well there it is now. Cass, that's fairly obscene. No, it's really
obscene.
I wouldn't want to attract that much attention, it's scary.

What, a rose bigger than a weeping mulberry? That's good. If this is
the Willits hybrid sempervirens, it probably isn't hardy. Tsk tsk. You
can't have it.

heh


I once had bindweed pop out from under a light switchplate,
inside wall. Replaced some siding yesterday, there were a couple sections
someone was trying to weave a basket or make a door mat behind which.

What a bad bad dog. UC Davis says the vertical roots can reach depths
of 20 feet or more... its root and rhizome growth can reach 2-1/2 to 5
tons per acre.

good god. I heard a grown cottonwood does 2500 gallons a day. My sand point
well goes down 20 feet and things start getting moist about 3. The first
good earthquake, we're gonna rock. We had a 2ie the other day.


Came through my living room wall in the wall outlet,
behind the shingles, under the building paper, through the plywood,
around the framing and out the outlet.

the year we moved here I thought 'what a pretty little weed' and better that
than nothing. That lasted not very long.


And my family is worried about
ants.

have you heard about the peanut butter remedy? I haven't tried it, have been
meaning to.

m



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