On 7 Jun 2003 23:24:37 -0500, (lms) wrote:

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On 6 Jun 2003 02:05:42 -0500, (lms) wrote:

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http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...ages/Flora.jpg

well there it is now. Cass, that's fairly obscene. No, it's really
obscene.
I wouldn't want to attract that much attention, it's scary.

Weird - you revel over 12 foot

Try 17 foot, maybe.

Sorry - didn't mean to belittle your grand achievement.

You're not sorry and you meant all words of all insults, but it's no
grand achievement of mine, I just planted it and watered it and occasionally
heaved great shovelsfull of horse manure way high in the air so when it came
down Mr. Lincoln could put it where he wanted it.

Coming from the king of sinde, sidearmed insults, I'll take your
comment as high praise.

lanky sparse looking Mr. Lincolns

I think you and your like-minded heroine belong together. You know, I don't
take kindly to people being too critical of a plant about which one gardener
from Chicago once told me, in a state of purest awe, 'Roses don't grow like
this in Illinois'. It was July and it had... ***leaves.

Awwww pumpkin,

pumpkin. hahahaha.


I'm sorry that I ticked you off. It's just that the
picture you posted didn't portray the plant in a very good light. IOW,
it looked pretty ugly. Sort of like a larger version of my Touch of
Class, which I find a pretty ugly plant, structure wise.

What would you know about struc ture, you're still stuck in the hybrid tea
rut.

Ahhhh, so that snide comment that you made in the other post *WAS*
meant for me. I thought so. However, less than half of my roses are
HTs and three of them came with the house.

Therefore, you're simply wrong.

Sorry.

You lose.

I had to cut at least 60 percent of this plant down just so I could walk
around it--I was having to walk to Dallas and then to El Paso and back just
to
get around it. I tolerated its 12 foot horizontals and then multiple 10 foot
verticals off those for many many years. I've always considered it nothing
less than majestic,

That's because, for you, bigger seems better.

Bigger is almost always better in all things roses. With new mini
introductions and at rose shows they have to beat them back with sticks.
You see, elemento, the word BIG is a STAPLE in rose catalogs and everywhere
else in life.
Much much better to have a BIG The Fair than a puny The Fairy, no?

I don't know, as my Fairy is over 10 feet wide.

It's not about size for me - it's all about context. One of my current
faves is the schrublet, Baby Love. It's the perfect size for where it
is and it seems to stay in bloom all of the time.

Why just today I think I read the troll saying how much she like BIG, GORGEOUS
roses, you should know which post I'm talking about, you've had your nose there
for about a year now.

You must be talking about Shiva, right?

Your beef with her is your own. I personally like her because she
offered me some advice that was helpful.

Of course, from what I understand, she has a pretty good reason to
dislike *you*. But that doesn't matter one way or another to me. You
just seem like another troll to me...

Which is why I was
surprised that you didn't fall all over yourself over Cass' picture.

I'm not surprised that you're surprised cause you are thick, you can't even
unnerstand it when I flat out say my comments were tongue in cheek.
Of course you read Cass' follow-up. Well, what she said...go with that one.

Cool. I get it now that it's tongue-in-cheek. With you, it's hard to
tell though.

Oh wait, most of what you grow is sprawling and ungainly (to my eye
that is). There doesn't seem to be a place in your garden for a
well-shaped mass of blosso...ooops, I mean blooms. Of course, it's
hard to tell since most of the links to your roses on your website are
broken. Therefore, I have to rely on what you post here.

One, remember the hybrid tea rut,

Thank you Mr. Lincoln.

and to offer as a rebutt 96 pics of what's
blooming toDay! to the tripe you speak would be a waste of my time.

Glad to have wasted so much of your time today.

But I've been doing that anyway. With my cheap digi cam. I don't much like
it.
Two, none of my rose pic links, few that nthey are currently, are broken. The
pics I post here go in the same directory as those on my website, sometimes I
link them there, sometimes I don't.

I'm sorry, but most of the pics that I clicked the other day 404'd (as
you would put it).

Some people let Netscape's cache control them instead of the other way around.
Or Internet Exploder, same difference.

Frankly, since it was the first time that I clicked those links, I
doubt that IE's cache had anything to do with it.

Perhaps your hosting site had problems that day. I went back to your
site and pics seem to be coming up today (and no, my cache hasn't been
cleared since then). I especially like Trier, which yes, *is* in
Germany - I lived about 30 km from it. Beautiful city on the Mosel.
Great Roman Wall remnants with a nice big stone gate as well.

BTW, I notice a pretty fair number of HTs. Hope you don't get stuck in
the rut.

and almost every new person who's ever seen it has had some
kind of reaction. Recently the New Jersey unit's comments on this grope
were
a case in point.
Being too critical of King Abraham is akin to talking to your Queen Mother
about gravity.

Weird. You go ballistic over a plant that *I* happen to like and only
because of its NAME. How weird is that?

How is that weird, the world revolves around words that give off bad vibes.
You have a strange idea of ballistic.

I think that this post has a lot of ballistic in it.

I think it's weird that you freak out over the name of a plant that
has just as good of structure *and* more vivid colors than your two
favorite Peace plants. You rave over the variation in colors in Peace
and yet it can't hold a candle to the variations and depth of color
that Desert Peace offers. And Chicago Peace only comes close, from the
fictures I've seen.

Oh wait, we're talking about HTs. What the ****?

And then of course my rain forest grew up, this has had some effect, but less
on this one than some others. I wouldn't trade my rain forest for all of
Portland, don't get me wrong.


but
you wouldn't want *this* plant - which has obviously grown to be what
it wants to be, which is a huge plant overloaded with blossoms?

'blossoms', I have always thought, is a very feminine term.
I don't have blossoms. bcd uses this term all the time, makes me cringe
every
time I hear it. How do these things happen?

Maybe you need to embrace your feminine side.

I embrace my feminine side plenty enough, I'm growing five clitoria this
season.

You might try interacting with them.

BTW, whether you like it or not, you've got blossoms.

No blossoms. Blooms. Flaures too.

Yes blossoms. Sorry. Try your dictionary.

Look it up. And
your not-so-subtle reference to my sexuality is noted. But I'm man
enough to just laugh it off.

I'd suggest the ACLU but I've demonstrated time and again I don't give a
sheeeeeit whether you're a he a she or an it.

Blossom is what you would call a pig, or maybe some farmer's daughter, like
in some joke maybe.




Well, different strokes I suppose...

Weil, a properly grown Mr. Lincoln ain't for everyone, agreed. I guess I
have
to spell it out, how firmly was my tongue planted in my cheek?
Is that enough of a hint?

When was your tongue planted in your cheek - the way you describe Mr.
Lincoln?

Oh, so you *did know I was talking about Cass' rose.

I don't know how you make this leap. But, for the record, I now get
that you were talking tongue in cheek. I *really* didn't know that,
since most of the bushes that you've posted here don't resemble that
in the least. And since you seem opposed to regular shape in roses, I
thought that you might have thought of that as a pruned big yew with
blooms.

Yet you refuse to admit
it and hassle me anyway. Rock on, dude. rgr 2003, maaaaaan. Why we
got 'Hate' threads now, and all the predictable participants. And a few
unwarys and people who don't buy that 'ugly rose' stuff which seems to float
your boat.

I really don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, I took the gloves off when *you* hassled me about Desert Peace.

shrug

Yep, you love to dish it out, but you run away crying when someone
cuts *you*.

Nothing new there, I suppose.

I guess I've ticked you off since you're using my name in a pretty
disrespectful manner.

Weil, a properly grown Mr. Lincoln ain't for everyone, that's still agreed.
That is your name, isn't it?

Yeah it is. But don't be disengenuous here. It doesn't suit you.

Hey wait, maybe it does.

People can call me by my name, my first name, my last name-- I don't care.

I thought that names and the way we use them were IMPORTANT.

s******

This is why it's hard to tell when you're talking tongue-in-cheek,
because you're all over the map.

People can't call Some people by their first name or their last name cause
they like to put up walls and veils of anonymity, you should know all about
that, hanging out here like you do.

Since my name is clearly marked in all of my posts, I don't know what
you're talking about.

Oh wait, what was that you said? Different storkes? For different dorkes?

Nope. Never said that.

Of course, that seems to be the way of most word
bullies. They can dish it out but they can't take it. Sorry about
that.

Sorry Weil, that word's already taken. And remember, you're the one calling
someone's rose 'ugly'.

Actually, that was "pretty ugly".

And I wasn't even talking to you.

Damn, here I was thinking that I was Cass.

The person I was talking to you was smart enough to recognize when someones pullin her leg.

I'm glad that she got it. She's been dealing with you a lot longer
than I have.

Once again, while I knew that you were hyperbolizin', I really *did*
think that, based on pics that you've posted here, it wouldn't be your
cup of tea.

shrug

m

oh, almost forgot
http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/ros99.htm