In article , "Vox Humana"
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"paghat" wrote in message
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In article , Tom J
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On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:09:43 -0400, Ann wrote:

Tom J expounded:


This entire thread remains clueless except for some insight by Vox....

Sorry, but I find Vox to be as rabid as Paghat on this one.


OK Ann, but living in a communality with hundreds of HOA's I see
none of the rantings validated.

Some people don't HAVE to care, so never even bother to look. You don't
see what you couldn't care less about.

Tell me what single community has HUNDREDS of HOAs while you're at it. By
HUNDREDS you mean 200 HOAs right in your neighborhood? Three or four
hundred? Six hundred? Should be easy for you to name 10% of them then, or
grab your Yellow Pages & list the ones that start with "S" -- that should
be a good 20 out of 200 right there.

Someone mentioned that they lived in an area called Montgomery Village that
had a lot of HOAs. If you go to the Montgomery County HOA page you will see
a list of over 800 HOA listed.
http://www.communitiesonline.org/sta...ontgomery/hoa/

The majority of that page lists single-building condo associations, &
lists them randomly throughout Virginia, Washington D.C., & Maryland, &
includes unincorporated civic associations that are not HOAs. Even if
these HAD all been only from Montgomery County (as you may have imagined
since all you looked at was a Google header) that's NOT a single
community, it's a COUNTY'S worth of cities & towns. Makes me wonder if
this depth of dishonesty on your part is intentional or something deeply
ingrained & awful in you forces you against your will to be dishonest!

But lets imagine your horrifying idea of utopia were true & a single
community had 800 HOA-run neighborhoods -- or even just the 200 the
previous liar made up on the spur of the moment. We'll even toss-in the
single-building condo associations to help you boost your numbers, &
though that's cheating, we have to accept that cheating is your method &
you might get away with it here & there. Can't include those civic
neighborhood associations, though, as they tend to do nicer stuff than
HOAs ever do.

If your dream is true, then SOMEwhere there are 200 neighborhoods &/or
incoporation-regulated condos in a single community, with people of no
conscience (as best-case) or even outright racists, happily empowered by a
method of incorporation that permits them to legally take over other
peoples' property rights & work around Civil Rights protections, resulting
INEVITABLY in such outrages as I documented in Marin County against a tiny
handful of Orthodox Jews & in San Clemente against the only Asian woman
with a house inside the HOA district harrassed for ten years before the
law stepped in. 200 to 800 neighborhoods & incorporated condos in one
town, eh? All of which at LEAST have the OPTION of being racist,
heterosexist, agist, & antisemitic, & generally function with one or more
category within that option very much activated. Minorities shopping for
homes, then, are expected to write off as off-bounds THAT many
communities??

Clearly you people have got to be stopped!

For fortunately you don't control quite such a big percentage of the
housing marketplace. And unfortunately for your dream, though it's been a
long while coming, a few state, federal, & county government agences ARE
finally beginning to undermine these "special" qualities of homeowner
associations. I expect additional dragged-out court cases & state-by-state
legislation will in the future further limit your scary "options" to
decide the age, race, sexual orientation, or religion of people permitted
to buy a home in incorporated neighborhoods. Sure, the option to
orchestrate racist housing at any time you so elect does still exist
today. But in increasing numbers of regions, it's getting harder rather
than easier to suffer no legal repurcussions, even if in all cases the
governmental approach has had to be "novel" from the hate-crime angle &
foreclosure-angle & banned-funding angle & so on. And even the most overt
racists among you HOArs may decide tolerance is after all a better idea
than continuously having the HOA dues raised to cover the court costs of
preserving that one & only thing which inspired the HOA movement in the
first place.

-paghat the ratgirl

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