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On 7 Jun 2003 23:24:37 -0500, (lms) wrote:

You're not sorry and you meant all words of all insults, but it's no
grand achievement of mine, I just planted it and watered it and occasionally
heaved great shovelsfull of horse manure way high in the air so when it came
down Mr. Lincoln could put it where he wanted it.

Coming from the king of sinde, sidearmed insults, I'll take your
comment as high praise.

dave, you didn't really go to the next level, I'm glad to see that. really, I
am.


I'm sorry that I ticked you off. It's just that the
picture you posted didn't portray the plant in a very good light. IOW,
it looked pretty ugly. Sort of like a larger version of my Touch of
Class, which I find a pretty ugly plant, structure wise.

What would you know about struc ture, you're still stuck in the hybrid tea
rut.

Ahhhh, so that snide comment that you made in the other post *WAS*
meant for me. I thought so. However, less than half of my roses are
HTs and three of them came with the house.

Therefore, you're simply wrong.

Sorry.

You lose.

hahaha. no, Jeff Gordon loses, he loses too much, he doesn't win so much
anymore. and that comment was just general, wasn't meant for you, honest.


Bigger is almost always better in all things roses. With new mini
introductions and at rose shows they have to beat them back with sticks.
You see, elemento, the word BIG is a STAPLE in rose catalogs and everywhere
else in life.
Much much better to have a BIG The Fair than a puny The Fairy, no?

I don't know, as my Fairy is over 10 feet wide.

That's big. The one here's only 4-5 but lush and green and going everywhere it
can, has a lot of competition. surrounded by Margaret Merrill, Pearl
Meidilland, Trier, and Grapes! Have to hack grape today mof.
http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/tf03.jpg


Of course, from what I understand, she has a pretty good reason to
dislike *you*.

That'd be accurate. Chase off 90 percent of the real rosers, all you're left
with is brainwashees. Like you. My observation is that she's cleaned up
her act *real good though, you'd never even have a clue of all the
outright filth which she associated with, participated in and
wholeheartedly uncouraged once upon an ugly ugly time--unless you read all
the snide remarks she continues to spew at every opportunity, talking to/at
people who long ago decided they were finished with dealing with that psycho.
Even these probably just go right over your head. Maybe they don't-- maybe
you condone, maybe you relish, the continued contentiousness.
Her current mode is acceptable, I'd rather just leave it at that.


But that doesn't matter one way or another to me. You
just seem like another troll to me...

andso beit


Which is why I was
surprised that you didn't fall all over yourself over Cass' picture.

I'm not surprised that you're surprised cause you are thick, you can't even
unnerstand it when I flat out say my comments were tongue in cheek.
Of course you read Cass' follow-up. Well, what she said...go with that one.

Cool. I get it now that it's tongue-in-cheek. With you, it's hard to
tell though.

excellent!



Oh wait, most of what you grow is sprawling and ungainly (to my eye
that is). There doesn't seem to be a place in your garden for a
well-shaped mass of blosso...ooops, I mean blooms. Of course, it's
hard to tell since most of the links to your roses on your website are
broken. Therefore, I have to rely on what you post here.

One, remember the hybrid tea rut,

Thank you Mr. Lincoln.

and to offer as a rebutt 96 pics of what's
blooming toDay! to the tripe you speak would be a waste of my time.

Glad to have wasted so much of your time today.

don't consider it a waste of time, really. It's important what you think.
It's important wandering through the roses, I do it almost every day.


But I've been doing that anyway. With my cheap digi cam. I don't much like
it.
Two, none of my rose pic links, few that nthey are currently, are broken.
The
pics I post here go in the same directory as those on my website, sometimes I
link them there, sometimes I don't.

I'm sorry, but most of the pics that I clicked the other day 404'd (as
you would put it).

Some people let Netscape's cache control them instead of the other way
around.
Or Internet Exploder, same difference.

Frankly, since it was the first time that I clicked those links, I
doubt that IE's cache had anything to do with it.

Perhaps your hosting site had problems that day. I went back to your
site and pics seem to be coming up today (and no, my cache hasn't been
cleared since then). I especially like Trier, which yes, *is* in
Germany - I lived about 30 km from it. Beautiful city on the Mosel.
Great Roman Wall remnants with a nice big stone gate as well.

BTW, I notice a pretty fair number of HTs. Hope you don't get stuck in
the rut.

funny thing about HTs, the scrawniest plant imaginable can produce some really
amazing blooms, infact I've had them produce absolute killers right before they
croak. Like Adolph Horstmann.
So that full-page bloom can actually be very deceiving. But it's the only
way to sell roses.


and almost every new person who's ever seen it has had some
kind of reaction. Recently the New Jersey unit's comments on this grope
were
a case in point.
Being too critical of King Abraham is akin to talking to your Queen Mother
about gravity.

Weird. You go ballistic over a plant that *I* happen to like and only
because of its NAME. How weird is that?

How is that weird, the world revolves around words that give off bad vibes.
You have a strange idea of ballistic.

I think that this post has a lot of ballistic in it.

yeah it does, that one didn't.



I think it's weird that you freak out over the name of a plant that
has just as good of structure *and* more vivid colors than your two
favorite Peace plants. You rave over the variation in colors in Peace
and yet it can't hold a candle to the variations and depth of color
that Desert Peace offers. And Chicago Peace only comes close, from the
fictures I've seen.

fictures, I like it. And I don't disbelieve you.




Maybe you need to embrace your feminine side.

I embrace my feminine side plenty enough, I'm growing five clitoria this
season.

You might try interacting with them.

They're not big enough yet.




I don't know how you make this leap. But, for the record, I now get
that you were talking tongue in cheek. I *really* didn't know that,
since most of the bushes that you've posted here don't resemble that
in the least. And since you seem opposed to regular shape in roses, I
thought that you might have thought of that as a pruned big yew with
blooms.

I have a yew tree, same size as Sunsprite, they're basically twins, nope, no
confusion.


Yes, I took the gloves off when *you* hassled me about Desert Peace.

shrug

Yep, you love to dish it out, but you run away crying when someone
cuts *you*.

Nothing new there, I suppose.

sorry, never cried any tears about this ng, and I'm here now for as long as I
want to be?



I guess I've ticked you off since you're using my name in a pretty
disrespectful manner.

Weil, a properly grown Mr. Lincoln ain't for everyone, that's still agreed.
That is your name, isn't it?

Yeah it is. But don't be disengenuous here. It doesn't suit you.

Hey wait, maybe it does.

what would johnny cochran say?



People can call me by my name, my first name, my last name-- I don't care.

I thought that names and the way we use them were IMPORTANT.

s******

This is why it's hard to tell when you're talking tongue-in-cheek,
because you're all over the map.

!!


Of course, that seems to be the way of most word
bullies. They can dish it out but they can't take it. Sorry about
that.

Sorry Weil, that word's already taken. And remember, you're the one calling
someone's rose 'ugly'.

Actually, that was "pretty ugly".

And I wasn't even talking to you.

Damn, here I was thinking that I was Cass.

The person I was talking to you was smart enough to recognize when someones
pullin her leg.

I'm glad that she got it. She's been dealing with you a lot longer
than I have.

'dealing' with me implies that's some kind of burden. perhaps it is, but it's
pretty clear otherwise to a dimbulb like me. If I were just here trolling
rosies and gwew no roses, that would be one thing, but the fact is, I grow a
sheeeeitload of roses and love to talk about them. That's a big problem for
anyone wanting to do any 'dealing' with me.


Once again, while I knew that you were hyperbolizin', I really *did*
think that, based on pics that you've posted here, it wouldn't be your
cup of tea.

shrug

cool. likewise

m





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