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Old 10-06-2003, 05:08 PM
Nedra
 
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Default Koi living in mud ponds.

Lee ... I meant the rocks that have fallen into the pond -
used to make up the surroundings and
waterfall. If Koi Clay doesn't discolor anything then I'd better just
look elsewhere. Or have someone remove them? Grin

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"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
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As others have noted, yes: calcium bentonite is the same as Koi Clay. I'm
not sure what you mean about the rocks: the clay doesn't really change the
color of anything (except the fish, which is why it's used in the

finishing
ponds!). As RTB notes below, it's also sold in health food stores as a
source of minerals for pregnant women (that seems to be a "not uncommon"
craving: eating dirt. Me - I wanted pizza!). It's also sold to absorb

toxins
in your system (you can take 1 tsp of the clay, mix it in 2 oz. of water

and
drink it: don't take it within 2 hrs. of other meds, or it will absorb
those, too!). And I found that it makes a nice mud mask for do-it-yourself
facials. Great stuff!

Lee


"Nedra" wrote in message
thlink.net...
Hey Lee ... Is the calcium bentonite clay the same thing as
Koi Clay? I do hope so ... I just bought a bunch! Have
only used it one week so far. I notice the rocks that have
fallen in over the years are now a deep brown. Wonder if
this is from the Koi Clay? Guess I should call the owner
VBG I also sprinkled about a tablespoon or two on the
roses.... miracle stuff! None on my food yet.

Nedra
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"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
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The "mud ponds" the Japanese use are finishing ponds - where the koi

go
to
"finish" before a show. The "mud" is calcium bentonite clay - a very
specific type of clay. It has very high mineral content and has been

proven
over the centuries to improve the color of the koi and the luster of

their
skin. This particular clay has many uses, and is even sprinkled over

food
here in the States as an aid to digestion. Many paste foods include a

half
cup or so of bentonite clay as an ingredient. The fish are placed in

the
finishing ponds for 6 months to a year, during which time they aren't

seen
at all (due to the density of the mud) until the pond is drained for
harvesting. Then it's like Christmas morning!

The koi don't mind "unclear" water (green algae or mud), their owners

do
GBG! We don't like feeding "lips" - all that we can see when the

water
is
murky. We want to see our prized finny pets, so we want clear water.
Actually, if the water was murky, it would probably save their lives,

as
it
would be a lot harder for predators to see them. The water can be

funky
(to
us), but as long as the ammonia, nitrItes, pH and DO are in line, the

fish
could care less!

Lee

"David Larson" wrote in message
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Hello all,

I've read many threads about Koi needing to have crystal clean water

in
order to thrive. Then I
looked at a few websites for Koi breeders in Japan, and their Koi

live
in
mud ponds and the water is
far from crystal clear. Look at these pics -

http://www.tategoi.com/oomokoi/koi%20harvest.htm

Now... these breeders have zillions of dollars (yen) invested in

their
Koi, so they need them to
maintain prime health. This being the case, is it really necessary

to
have
clear water for koi? Yes,
Ph, nitrates, nitrites, and such need to be correct - but it seems

the
water itself does not need to
be clear.

What am I missing here????

- David