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"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
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If they could kill wild oats they would. One of the people I talked
to
has
over 12 square miles of farm land as well as 3 million bushels of
grain
storage, a fertilizer and spraying business. Wild oats cost him
money
in
the
field, when he buys the grain from farmers and when he sell it to
the
mill
or larger grain merchant. I farmed for him for 10 year and did
business
with
him and his father all my life. If he tells me it is too dangerous
to
use
I
believe him. He has every reason to use the chemical and none not
to.

You can think what you damn well please.

Gordon


Gordon,

Just a quick question.(Definitely not trying to start
anything here) Why would buying grain that has wild oats in it cost
your
friend any extra money? Does he not deduct a percentage on payment for
dockage? I'm sure that they deduct him for that at the mill.
I've actually dealt with Puma for many years.
(phenoxaprop-p-ethyl) I've see it cause some leaf tip burning on
cereals
in
extreme heat conditions, but nothing that has damaged any yield
expectations. Also, it is sprayed quite earlier than the flag leaf
emergance, and I'm sure that you realize how important the flag is to
the
wheat plant. We have such a variety of soils here, and I've yet to
experience any catastrophes or for that matter, significant yield
losses
from Puma's use. It's such a universal chemical, as it can be used in
canola(off label), wheat, barley, and canary seed(off label). Are you
sure
that your not getting it mixed up with a group 2 herbicide, which can
be
ugly residual wise? ex. Sulfosulfuron(Sold as Sundance by Monsanto
here
in
Canada or Maverick in the U.S.A. We've had fits with this product with
crop
rotation.
I guess what really floors me a bit here is that I've
sold
about 20,000 acres of Puma here annually for a very long time and have
never
run into any situation such as the one that your stating, but in your
defense, I would sure like to hear you expand on it.

Dean,

All I know is what the fellow tells me that it hurts yields too much.
Since
he owns over a lot of wheat land that he rents out he would be using it
if
he if it worked. He as no bias against anything that makes him money and
Puma would make him money on every turn of the card.

He looses money on wild oat in wheat because he doesn't dock farmers the
full amount. I have pulled samples for him and watched him figure
dockage
and when I ask he say if he dock them the full amount he will lose them
as
customers. He is doing something right he is making money and the co op
is
going broke.

High temperatures and drought stress could be a problem. Seventy days
before
harvest it is in the 80's fairly often and the high 90's are not unheard
of.
Seventy days before harvest in the middle of march is also a fairly
common
time for drought stress almost every year. January and February are the
two
driest months and March is pretty chancy on rain. There is an 50% chance
of
the wheat going though drought stress last two weeks of March and close
to
80% if you add the first two weeks of April.

There is usably some reason that a chemical that has been around that
long
hasn't been cleared for north Texas and Oklahoma until this year. It is
not
because OSU and Texas A&M aren't looking for a way to control wild oats.
I
know the guy that runs the weed work in wheat at OSU and doesn't try to
slow
things down.

Gordon

Gordon,
What kind of cropping system is used primarily? Is it
conventional, min-til, no-til? Are you aware of triallate? It's sold under
the name Avadex. It's very old chemistry, but very effective.Of course it
won't be used in a no or min til situation, but under conventional
methods,
it fits very well.
By the way, what's the crop looking like in that part of the
world? We were struggling for rain, as we've only had 1.5 inches since May
1. Last night we had another inch, and for all intents and purposes,
hopefully have given the crops a reprieve for maybe a week or two. Should
see a few smiles around here for a couple of days.

Dean,

In Central Illinois, we too are in need of rain. Scab is spotty but
moderately intense where present and is receiving a moderate amount of
press. Last night I thought we might get some rain but it skirted to
northern Illinois. Some of the earlier planted corn is now tasseling;
however, some varieties are "onion leafing" and could definitely use some
water.

Dave