Greg,

It is really great reading your informative posts. You certainly put out
good researched and supported information. It is sure interesting that
Ingrid, who is supposed be a microbiologist and deals with scientific
investigation can't see the forest for the trees.

It is very interesting that she will not believe you with all your expertise
and background, but will put her trust in an Alabama LFS owner that has
taken a couple of college classes. In addition, Ingrid makes it sound like
Jo Ann has been doing disease diagnosis for years. She has years of
experience in keeping fish, probably about as much as I do, but her course
work has only occurred during the last 4 or 5 years. Also, from Jo Ann's
own mouth to my ears, she doesn't breed KOI or Goldfish either. She tried
years ago and gave up. So, in Ingrid's hierarchy of believability, where
does that put Jo Ann, because she doesn't breed KOI or Goldfish and from the
gist of Ingrid's messages this is a requirement.

In any event, Greg, Keep up the good work. It is such a pleasure to read
your informative posts.

Tom L.L.
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You mean Mark Curtis does breed and raise koi?

Never said he did, nor did I say he didn't. I thought you knew him? If so,
you know he has his own business since leaving Picovs.

You are talking about the survival rate of wild carp in lakes and
rivers?
I would
like my pretty, not-survival-of-the-fittest koi to live longer than they
would in the
wild.

Please re-read my post to catch my point.

All the proof I need is the recommendations of those who breed and raise
koi and the
advice of experts who I trust.

So you do accept recommendations (of authorities you trust)as factual! I
find that fascinating, because when I relayed information in a very
similiar
vein some months ago (actually over a year ago), you were quick to point
out
that these were opinions I was relaying, and they were not based on any
scientific study. (in case you don't recall it was the increase in salt
resistant Trich seen on West coast imports from Japan that I relayed
following discussion of same at an AKCA sponsored seminar).

Like I said, it has to do with stimulating the slime
coat and electrolyte balance, not killing off cooties.

I guess you didn't read my last post as to why, at least a number (notice
I
am not saying all) of Japanese breeders use salt - algal control...

Yes, as a matter of fact there has been a huge leap forward in saving
children in 3rd
world countries with acute gastroenteritis using ERT or electrolyte
replacement
therapy aka oral rehydration.
"The experience with oral rehydration solutions is compelling. Over
90% of dehydrated children can be successfully rehydrated with
intensive use of glucose-electrolyte solutions without the need to
place an IV. The argument made in favor of this therapy is that it is
less expensive and has fewer complications. This type of therapy
can be administered in the patient's home if the child is only mildly
dehydrated or can be given in the emergency room or the clinic for
children with moderate dehydration."
So I certainly do HIGHLY recommend salt solutions for those with severe
diarrhea,
like Gatorade or Propel.


You missed my point, I was being "cute" encouraging you to use .9NS
instead
of water. In case you are unaware, that is used to induce osmotic GI
losses
(diarrhea). Gatorade is not .9%NS. It is touted as a balanced electrolyte
solution.

I am very well versed on oral rehydration therapy. You forgot (or maybe
didn't know), that the job I recently left, was that of clinical director
of
Emergency services for Kaleida Health, which included (as one of the 5 EDs
I
headed up) Children's hospital of Buffalo.

We (the medical community) have been aware of oral rehydration for a
number
of years. It's not new, except in the allied health and lay presses. The
more recent studies in our journals have been conducted to looked at its
cost benefit ratios, in an attempt to establish why it isn't being used in
most EDs that treat pediatrics, (as most still use IV fluids.)

Children's, being the national pediatric center it is, has used oral
rehydration quite successfully in their EDs/clinics. It is something we
teach to each of our pediatric EM fellows.

Ingrid

Greg