fish can survive malathion, they cannot survive pyrethrums. Modern farmers and a lot
of other people are using integrated pest management. Part is putting up with some
damage, part is using the least toxic compound that does the job and part is applying
even that to a very limited area. Bt may sound innocuous, but it kills monarch
caterpillars and probably other caterpillars as well. Everything used has some non
specificity and kills "good guys". It takes a lot of research to find the right
stuff to use at the right time. Too often people are aligned on the extremes of
organic only OR the Steins full arsenal of poisons. Doesnt seem to be many voices of
the in between. If I use the most toxic shit but only spray a rose bush in a pot on
the patio this is nothing compared to spraying everything in the garden even with Bt.
or worse, using some "safer" product that doesnt work and out of frustration people
march right into Steins and pick up the really toxic stuff. If I hear one more
"spray the aphids with garlic" I am going to scream. I would rather people admit
that some plants are aphid magnets and the most logical thing to do is slash and burn
the plant. this is how I feel about roses. since they are in planters I dont mind
feeding them systemic but rather than screw around with spraying them with funginex
for black spot I let em croak. Roses are annuals unless they can make it on their
own. Ingrid

animaux wrote:
HOWEVER, the impact pyrethrum has on the soil biota, and macro organisms along
with mammals and other life forms is possibly to the tenth (wait what am I
saying...) HUNDREDTH power less than an organophosphate.


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