In article , dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:55:12 -0700, Cass
wrote:


BTW, what is your "plain ole Cecile Brunner"? Climbing or bush?
Reblooming or not?

Bush. As I understand it, the climbing form is an old sport from the
late 1800's that doesn't rebloom well, whereas Spray Cecile Brunner is
a more recent, reblooming sport which is sometimes sold and confused
with 'Bloomfield Abundancer." Vintage says that Spray Cecile Brunner
is a nice 5 foot shrub. To complicate matters, Improved Cecile Brunner
isn't a sport and is derived from a new cross.

Are you conflating "Spray" CB with "Improved" CD here?

No. 'Spray' is the 5 footer. 'Improved' is unrelated genetically,
coming from Dainty Bess and some form of r. gigantea.