Moosh:] wrote:
On 21 Jul 2003 11:39:12 GMT, Brian Sandle
wrote:
"Some disease causing bacteria, like Salmonella typhimurium, invade human
cells when they infect people.
News to me, but there you go. What sort of cells are invaded?
Leucocytes?
Epithelial cells.
It looks like the whole article is free to read:
Linkname: J. Bact -- Ferguson et al. 184 (8): 2235
URL:
http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/full/1...&pmid=11914355
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JB International Journal of Systematic and Evolutionary Microbiology
Gene Transfer between Salmonella enterica Serovar Typhimurium inside Epithelial
Cells
Gayle C. Ferguson,1 Jack A. Heinemann,1^,2^* and Martin A. Kennedy3
Department of Plant and Microbial Sciences, University of Canterbury,1
Department of Pathology, Christchurch School of Medicine,
Christchurch, New Zealand,3 Norwegian Institute of Gene Ecology,
Tromsų, Norway2
Received 5 November 2001/ Accepted 16 January 2002
There the bacteria coul dbe protected from
antibiotics while exhanging the genes for antibiotic resistance and the
genes that make bacteria better at causing disease. Laboratory tests
proved that genes do transfer between these bacteria even when antibiotics
are present.
The ability of bacteria to exchange genes insdie human cells also suggests
the bacteria could transfer genes to the human genome. However, Heinemann
says, `This is not necessarily going to cause the transfer of bacterial
genes to our sex cells and to our children, because these bacteria do not
normally have access to our sex cells'" - Deborah Parker, UC Alumni,
Winter 2003, p 19.
Though who knows, when, as I posted in the `apocalypse' thread, GM can be
used to make, in corn, antibodies which will destroy human sperm.
And this would be injected into what site on the body?
I don't know if they have to be injected.
What is the route of the anti-sperm antibodies that vasectomised men may
start to produce?
Why would you want to manufacture anti-sperm antibodies?
Contraception?
If it could be put in food it might be a political tool.
These are only just proteins, BTW
it is necessary to take more care with drug
resistance genes.
Is not sufficient care already being taken?
No. Things are done with the knowledge of the decade.
What more can you ask?
When you are working with the bases of life take some heed from people who
sacrifice their jobs when they have not been listened to.
We should not be feeding drug resistance genes to people
en masse, not checking up with control groups if it is triggering
anything.
What evidence have you that this has not been thoroughly investigated?
It has been examined with the old ideas. That genes are transferred from
parent to offspring (vertical movement) was the basis. That is now
outmoded. Genes go horizontally from one bacteria to another, and that is
the more dominant method of passing on resistance. It can happen in human
cells where bacteria are protected from antibiotics.
But how is this well-known phenomenon related to GE?
In GE genes are moved horizontally artificially. They are engineered
in a package which makes it easier to move in. They will then be
more potently available to bacteria.
Heinemann's work was `recognised by the American Society for Microbiology
as teh best published in April 2002. The society publishes 600 of the many
thousands of articles submitted to its journals each month, and of the 600
published last year, the Canterbury research was singled out as "best of
the best."'
Fine. Bacteria swap genes. As they can multiply "vertically"
from one to 4,722,366,400,000,000,000,000 in just one day, I think
this is probably not all that fantastic 
Fritjof Capra already in 1996 reports about Kauffman (1993):
`sytems biologists have begun to portray teh genome as a
self-organizing network capable of spontaneously producing new forms
of order. "We must rethink evolutionary biology," writes Stuart
Kauffman. "Much of the order we see in organisms may be the direct
result not of natural selection but of the natural order selection
was allowed to act on... Evolution is not just a tinkering ... It is
an emergent order honored and honed by selection."'