----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Sandle"
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,nz.general,sci.agriculture
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:45 PM
Subject: Paying to find non-GE wild corn?


: Gordon Couger wrote:
:
: "Brian Sandle" wrote in message
: ...
:
: shows the different in notil cotton and
: conventional till. In this case the notil is my neighbors
:
:
: What are the other plants in the no-till? Roundup-resistant?

No they haven't been sparyed yet. As I they are some kind of nettle that the
first spray of round up will knock out.
:
: And the plants look a bit more curly than yours, though it's hard to
: see.
: ============
: Those are weeds the cotton is real hard to see.
:
: Are they Roundup-resistant?
:
: The cotton is in rows, regularly spaced.
:
: One or two plants are only half as high as the others, but I think that
: that is happening on your `conventional' field, too.

Yes they are just comeing after a week of rain. Many fields were lost to
seedling disease that has nothing to to with GM cotton but is a funciton of
cold wet weater. The reason the convential till looks better is the ground
was worked up to a powder and the rain packed it down so the seed was very
close to the surface and it poped right out of the ground days eariler than
the normal conventional and no till fields around it. It was the best stand
out there and it was planted the afternoon it rained. Nomaly that cotton
never makes it up. It was the only cotton from that planting the farmer
saved. Seedling disease got the rest.
:
: As well as looking a bit less curly your non-GM plants are a darker green,
: less yellow than the GM ones. How much of that is due to moisture storage
: by the mulch, as opposed to some sort of residual effect of the Roundup
: on the RR plants, or differences in film? I presume the film was the same.

There is no differece from the RR resistance most of the differece is one is
taken faceing west and on is take facing south and the convential till has
been out of the ground a little longer and is greener from more
photosyntisis and less disease problems.

Gordon
:
: and
: conventional till is mine on an alfalfa hay meadow that is coming
: out of hay and into cotton.
:
:
: What sort of cotton? GM?
:
: No it is conventional with resistatce to another heribcide that can be
use
: all season long.
:
: Interesting. Can it be no-till, then?
:
:
:
: Goodness, tremendous expanse with no wind break. Sun nearly directly
: overhead.
: =============
: If it doesn't rain soon it the sun will cook it. It hasn't raned in 5
weeks
: and it 110f every day.
:
: That's nothing you shoud see the stuff in west Texas. Wind breaks use
: moisture and with mositure the limiting factor you can't have trees
close
: enough togeter to do any good.
:
: That depends on any hot wind. A shelter belt or two can reduce wind
: velocity right down for hundreds of meters, and so stop drying. Also their
: roots go deeper and they bring up lower water which the cotton can't, and
: they add it to the wind.
:
: Besides some of the substances trees give out help moisture to condense
: form the air, maybe even rain.
:
: The only place any one put them was where a
: neighbor let their land blow on them.
:
: We lost all the cotton there to a thunder sorm that beat 2 week old
cotton
: in the ground. We have poverty peas (soybeans) on it now.
:
: Then some trees, even if they stopped cotton growing in their immediate
: vicinity, could still have been a productive crop, some insurance.
:
:
: the other 3/4 of the farm is no till.
:
: What you are calling `no-till' is killing weeds with Roundup on
: Roundup-Ready GM crops.
:
: Half will go in to alfalfa in the fall and the weeds will be controlled
with
: round up and other chemical all summer. I don't know what he plans to do
: with the other half.
:
: Is the alfalfa RR, or just naturally resistanct to Roundup?