12-08-2003, 10:02 PM
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What's The Latest On Roundup Herbicide?
In article , (Bill Oliver) wrote:
In article ,
paghat wrote:
In article , (Bill
Oliver) wrote:
Now you're just being silly. Monsanto practices spin control with a highly
paied PR department. They falsify data. They have been caught lying
repeatedly even to Congress, and under oath in coruts of law. Examples:
[lots of stuff having nothing to do with RoundUp]
"Monsanto has lied, misrepresented facts, poisoned people & the earth, &
put profit before its workers, consumers, farmers, children &
communities time and again." -Sarah Wright,
Selling Food, Health, Hope: The Real Story Behind Monsanto, 2003
Whatever. I'm not interested in your fixation on Monsanto, or
playing games about them. My point is, and remains, about RoundUp.
The bottom line is that independent peer-reviewed studies
have failed to show a danger in RoundUp. All your railings
about Monsanto don't change that.
The bottom line is among the independent peer-reviewed studies MANY either
prove outright harmfulness while others more conservatively call for
further studies to see if the indications of harmfulness can be given
further evidence. While the vast majority of positive assessments are
generated by Monsanto in-house, funded by Monsanto, designed to find
positive elements without looking at harmful elements at all, & even then
rarely peer-reviewed.
As far as RoundUp is concerned, they are not lying, and you
have not shown that they are. Dredging up accusations from
two decades ago doesn't change that simple fact
billo
Funny that stuff happening as recently as 2002 and 2003 is, to you, two
decades ago.A fifty year history of lying I did document; the earliest in
the 1950s, much more in the 1960s, more still in the 1980s and 1990s, it's
still going on now. Lying is an ongoing habit that has never wavered, &
their leaed memo outlining their propoganda mission & methods shows that
it is in fact their intent to keep lying. A record like that & you
continue not to "care" that you're lionizing liars & repeating like a
robot dupe Monsanto's press releases.
Their own scientists have attested to the lies UNDER OATH in courts & to
Congress -- ah, but you've already stated that you think testimony under
oath is not as good as a public relations press release from Monsanto.
EPA investigators have point-blank called them liars on many issues, no
waffling about it, EPA investigators documented Monsanto persistently
lying to EPA. OSHA called them liars, no waffling about it there either,
just called them liars who fabricate data & get in the way of on-site
investigations, then lie to their workers rather than encourage workers to
take precautions in the deadly environment of Monsanto plants.
Monsanto is synonymous with lying, that part cannot rationally be denied,
so get rational. And the only puzzle here is why you'd write such lies as
you did just now above, pretending RoundUp is safe or that 2002 was twenty
years ago. The "best take" on your above commentary is you might be
willing to admit (or at least not deny, and certainly not care) that yeah,
yeah, sure, they lied for the entire history of their existence about
agent orange, about genetic engineering of crops, about bovine growth
hormone -- but you're dead set on the idea that they couldn't possibly be
lying about RoundUp. Very twisted.
You want more Monsanto lies to not care about? They lied to Percy
Schmeiser about the percentage of GM in a canola crop, & when they were
discovered to have lied & some farmers made a big stink about it, Monsanto
hired thuggish private detectives to pose as Canadian Mounties and
threaten the farmers. Not 20 years ago, but 1998. Then in court in 2000
they further lied under oath, & their own employee Morris Hofman later
admitted to the lies & his own role in fabricating evidence.
Their lies about dioxin contaminants in RoundUp continue to this day.
Though they started lying to the sick and dying residents of Anniston two
decades ago -- which to you doesn't matter because it was two decades ago
-- they were still lying about it in 2001 when secret in-house documents
were leaked to the Washington Post, & right now in 2003 they're still
fighting to not pay the settlement after all.
Monsanto lied to JAMA about Celebrex, misrepresenting from their in-house
fake study that "proved" their product was safer than two other arthritis
medications, but when the actual data was leaked to JAMA, the editor said,
"We were flabberghasted." Because the fact was the data untwinked proved
Celebrex had no safety advantages whatsoever -- none -- but to tell the
truth wouldn't increase their sales percentage. No, this not 20 years ago,
it was in 2001. Pharmacia, Searle, & Upjohn are all part of Monsanto; they
were after an increasing sahre of the ten billion dollars per year
generated by arthritis analgesics, & lying is second nature to them, so
they lied. Though caught in this lie, right now, in 2003, Celebrex is
marketed as safer less likely to cause ulcers & liver disease than other
products, a known lie.
This year they repeated AGAIN a lie that began in 2001, about how safe
RoundUp is to dump all over central America to get rid of coca crops.
Funny thing is, even if their stats on RoundUp had been true, which of
course they're not true, what they actually sent to the government to dump
on Columbian citizens was not the RoundUp formula they allege to be safe.
Rather, they used trumped up stats for 3% glyphosate formulas, & applied
these already dubious stats to a special glyphosate formula that was over
100 times more toxic than what is legal in the Untied States -- that's
what was dumped on Columbians as "safe." This was proven to be dumped ON
PEOPLE. When in 2001 a Congressman went to Columbia to check on some of
this himself, a fly-over accidentally soaked with the toxin, on camera.
Further lies for 2002 and 2003 lies have already been found out, but
expect many more to be reported in 2004, as more mount up each year.
Greed & dishonesty IS what Monsanto is all about.
-paghat the ratgirl
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"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
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