"James Curts" wrote in message
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"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:42:48 -0700, Walter Epp
posted:

"Gordon Couger" wrote:
Like most of the detractors of modern framing you have no practical
experience faming. I have been at this 46 years and watch crops lost
to

Agriculture scientist know what their doing and they learn from the
past. I
have oral history of family farming back to 1816. My grand father
told
me

There is no one in the world who has 46 years of experience with
genetic engineering. The wisdom distilled from multiple generations
of your forefathers does not exist for GE biotech.

And the difference, in the broad scheme of things?

But all you do is spout the same tired dogma of the
ludilits that are starving people to death in India and Africa.
Dream
about
them tonight. I have done every thing I can to provide food for the
world

May the ghosts of the millions that have died and will die haunt you
for
your disregard of the world situation that has cause the break down
in
the
fight against disease in the third world and now you want to deny
them
the
benefits of modern agriculture as well.

Of course there are lots of people with good intentions including
both farmers and biotech employees.
The problem is that good intentions are not enough.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
We have to have respect for Nature's ways
and real-world consequences,

The methods you support would result in massive starvation and every
possible square inch of land being stripped trying to raise more food.

You parrot the dogma of those that use the ignoance of well meaning
people
to line their pockets and further their political agenda. See how much
money
the people that you base your beliefs on contribute to agriclute, aid or
research.

Gordon


The folks I, or those associated with our projects, deal with generally
ask
for water, transportation and equipment and in about that order. This is
pertaining to food as we know that medical assistance is of high priority
also.

Seldom if ever do we get requests for seeds except to borrow or buy from a
nearby group of the same culture.

The increasing millions spent on experimenting is almost proportional to
the
increasing hunger in the world.

This dilemma is not to be resolved by our huge corporations but by you and
I

Water in musch of the world is the limiting resorce and more irrigation will
produce more crops. But here are very few acres than can be irrigated with
conventional crops. The GM salt resistant ones could greatly increse the
amount of irrgated land.

Infra structure is expensive and takes time and in some cases education.

A seed company has no control or expertise in any of these things They can
produce seeds and chemicals.

Infrastructure and irrigation are idly suited to countries with lower levels
of technology and the NGO sector. They are not problems of sconce. Green
Piece could build some roads and buy some truck if they really wanted to
help these countries they claim to want to protect.

GM seeds can be develop in a short time and take no state expenditures and
can be targeted to the needs of the farmer no some planer that that is the
presidents brother in law.

They are by no means the total answered to the problem but they are a large
piece. The reduction of pesticide, erosion and nutrient transfer are
extremely voluble to the farmer, the environment and the world as whole. The
big corporations would not be doing it if the state funded seed breeds had
been funded and given a free hand in the matter but they ran into the same
political correct carp at their institutions and went to work in an
environment that appreciated their work and played them well for it.

Don't blame business for picking up on a valuable process that the pubic
funded research were not moving forward.

If you are concerned about big business direct you gaze and Nestle, Dunavant
Cotton Co. and the other privately held ag merchants that make Monsanto look
like the corner grocery store. Many of their higher ups can't set foot in
the US with out being served with a subpoena for anti trust violations.

Gordon