On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:47:22 +0200, Torsten Brinch
posted:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:53:14 GMT, "Gordon Couger"
wrote:


"Torsten Brinch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:57:33 GMT, "Gordon Couger"
wrote:


"Torsten Brinch" wrote in message
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So you agree with Novartis, that genetically modified varieties
generally take more time to develop than conventionally bred
varieties, due to additional research and development work?

No, the added time is due to red tape.

So, are you saying Novartis lied in their response to the Committee
when they said there is additional research and development work
with new genetically modified varieties compared to new conventionally
bred varieties?

BT and RR cotton, beans and corn took how long by conventional breeding?

Come, it is a simple question. Novartis would be in the position to
know whether or not there is additional research and development work
with genetically modified varieties compared to new conventionally
bred varieties. Right?

Not what you originally claimed. You claimed that it was a myth that
GM was faster than conventional breeding methods. We are still waiting
for an example.

And, Novartis told the Australian Committee that there is additional
research and development work with genetically modified varieties.

So why did YOU claim that GM was slower than conventional methods?

So, either you agree with Novartis, or you are saying Novartis lied to
the Committee. ---Which is it?---

No, YOU wrote:

"On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:00:11 GMT, "Gordon Couger"
wrote:
GM seeds can be develop in a short time

Myth: Genetic engineering reduces development time.

This misunderstanding is based on the assumption that the seed
developer has achieved the goal as soon as they know the gene and can
deliver it into the plant, where as conventional breeding can take
generations to achieve a goal because of the need to eliminate
undesirable traits.

Fact: After fifteen years of research and development
experience, it has become apparent that genetic modification can
increase development time. The necessary laboratory work is
complementary to, not a substitute for field breeding work.
The actual plant breeding work in genetically modified
varieties is the same as for conventional varieties, but
before this breeding work can start, there is the need for
extensive molecular development.

It is generally more expensive to develop genetically
modified varieties and bring them to market than
conventional varieties, because of the additional research
and development work, and additional regulatory
requirements."


So where's your example of this to show that it is true?
Remember you are claiming that "GM is faster" is a myth.