"martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:58:46 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


...... and oranges, judging from some of the unpasteurised orange
juice that had fermented this summer. YUK!

Well made orange wine is one of the better non-grape wines. That
presupposes that the fermenting was not done by a wild yeast as must have
been the case in your experience, and that the wine had been removed from
the yeast and allowed to mature for at least one year.

The first one was a bottle of orange juice that was well past it's
sell by date in an "Irish" cafe in York. The second was one litre
plastic carton of unpasteurised orange juice.

There is a difference between fermenting alcohol and common or garden
rotting.
Wine is yeast pee and the stuff you mention is bacterium pee

Franz