"anne" wrote in message
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Franz Heymann wrote in message
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"anne" wrote in message
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Culturalenigma wrote in message
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I don't think you'll get much free info given to be honest. It's
your
website afterall. I understand where you are coming from, but it
might
be
better to advertise on the site itself for articles and I'm sure
that
in
time "fans" of your site will gladly send you articles. I wish you
all
the
best.

I've had some hits - I'm not really looking for "free info", just if
anyone
wanted to submit gardening articles.

I will say this though - I love to garden. I love to design
gardens.
I
like to look at them, weed them, sit in them and read in them. I
like
having my hands in the dirt and smelling the earth. It's a miracle
that
so
many wonders can come from a well planned or even a poorly thought
out
garden. Each one can be a miracle into itself. I consider myself a
gardener.

All that being said, I find that this group (with exceptions, you
know
who
you are, you have not been mean towards me) is terribly mean and
uninviting.
I had no idea that I would be made to feel so unwelcome simply for
being
a
fan of someone. It isn't even that I got upset that you weren't
fans
of
who
I was, it was the remarks and comments and assumptions made.

So - I'll head back over to the NG's that I do post at and simply
stay
there. Apparently I'm not good enough for this one.

To those of you who were nice to me or who just weren't crappy
towards
me
thank you.

Happy gardening, "whatever the weather".

Tracie


Tracie, I feel the same as you re this group. I think there are too
many
"know alls" fighting to impress with latin (or is it greek) names and
their
"vast" knowledge. It isn't a friendly group for a gardening newbie I
agree,
or even for a part time gardener. 50% at least of posts end up
argumentative
because the regulars *have* to prove their knowlege and how good they
are
and so friendliness goes out of the window.

It's fine for info but not for passing the time of day as it were. I
sit
here thinking dare I ask that question, is it too simplistic etc.
There
are
other UK based message boards that are more friendly and not so
competitive.

When you asked for articles for your website, I knew you had no chance
from
here - they think they are an elite bunch above you and me.

It doesn't even stop at gardening either, we *have* to post correctly
too.
Left right left right all in line! It's quite amusing really how
people
can
be so straight laced, closed minded and pedantic too.

I have been participating in this ng for only a few months and my
general
impression is totally different from yours.
Yes, there are a small number of participants who behave like you say.
They
are, however, a small minority.
I have made a number of friends amongst the urglers and have had very
valuable advice in response to stupid questions asked by me. You should
not
be afraid of asking elementary questions. You will soon find out who to
ignore and who to engage with.

As to your objection to playing the game by the rules, there I have no
sympathy for you. In any communal activity, there are rules of good
behaviour. The rules in this ng are identical with those in any other
ng,
and they all exist very simply to keep the logical flow of the threads
in
a
state which would make a thread easy to follow, even if you jump into
the
middle of one.

Franz



I'm still not convinced Franz, I think your face has to fit here. You are
without doubt far more knowledgeable than I am re the gardening subject.

Not necessarily.

If
you notice, most people turn up with a question and then disappear.

That is how it is in *all* the ng's in which I have participated. So what?

I think
some of those disappear because the conversation is too technical (if
that's
the right word). I've asked a few questions and some have been ignored
completely.

Has it occured to you that your questions might have stymied the urglers?

I feel as if the regs here are really only interested in
questions from each other - then out comes the knowledge and very deep
discussions etc (then competition on who knows the most) which alienates
those who don't have a degree in horticulture or whatever it is you have a
degree in.

For Pete's sake, throw that frightful inferiority complex which seems to be
weighing you down.
If folk speak with words you don't understand, why not ask what they mean?
I have done that several times ans have invariably been enlightened.

I agree with you that it's only polite to try and follow the rules of the
group, but they way the rules are implimented here can be down right rude
in
some cases.

Yes. Every group of people has its black sheep. Urg is no exception. So
what? I'll tell you something: The ratio between the civilised and
uncivilised members is vastly better in Urg than in two or three other ng's
I know.

Go on, ask your questions and see what gives.

Franz
Franz