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from martin contains these words:

We have some opposite our houses which were planted in the late 1930s.

but then again you don't live 5 miles from the North Sea coast in a
flat landscape, the ground is sand not soil, with frequent force 8 and
9 gales in autumn and winter.

Nor does Bilbo, I'd warrant.

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Rusty Hinge
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