"Adam" wrote in message
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"paxwax1" wrote in message
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"Adam" wrote in message
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My observation, (from a few news papers in USA), was that they
'expected'
arguments in parliament to be a possibility. That it happened was a
given.
Their papers today are saying '... it must be understood;
Australian
government is known to be played like they play their rugby.'
They have long seen us as a joke.
Ironic really. What a joke, that we followed them to Iraq
and murdered civilians.
Can't believe we murdered all those civilians. They were so happy and
safe when Saddam was running the country...

Yeah. Murder is a bit rich.
??Is colateral damage and 'friendly or blue' targets easier to wash
down/swallow??
Deliberate murder is actually different from 'colateral damage'.
It's a fine line, the difference being that one is deliberate and one
is largely unavoidable. While this makes little difference to those it
affects, it does fall under the 'greater good' argument. How many
civilians were killed during the war, compared with how many were
killed each year under the old regime ?

Yeah, I see your point, (I think); the "'greater good' argument." I wish I
could see around being biased in suspecting that our idea of the 'greater
good' might be weighted by our need to have a stategic foothold, our need to
show the world that we can walk in wherever we like and do whatever we like,
our need to have democracy spread -- and our need to be seen as alligned
with America. I suspect our superficially altruistic nature is, in part,
motivated by what we want to gain.
It'd feel better to think otherwise; that we are heros.

It's very hard to know from what perspective to evaluate the standard(s)
of
being, in Iraq, post or pre Sadam.
West and East see things almost opposite to each other, and there are
many
perspectives in between. Who should judge?
Funny what different perspectives can explain.
Apparently, is some places it's acceptable to gas whole villages and
torture & kill anyone who disagrees with you. We should just learn to
accept that some people think mindless slaughter is fine, as long as
it keeps them in power.

Yeah, there's truth to that. Let's all hope it turns out for the best.

What a joke if you think this is rubbish.

Cheers. Pax.