On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:37:32 GMT, David I. Raines
said:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:53:33 GMT, Richard A. Lewis wrote:


North wrote:

Here's my over all point.

Here's mine, since no one as of yet seems to have caught it....

The idiot made the claim that "three goats would keep you in
meat"....but then goes on to edit that into "a herd of 16 will keep
you in meat as long as you avoid eating meat for at least a year".

It's hard for them to reproduce if you're eating them.

The idiot then goes further to claim that the same three goats will
"keep you in milk"....but then goes on to edit that into "a herd of 16
will keep you in milk as long as you avoid all milk from them for at
least a year".

It's hard for them to reproduce when you're taking all the milk.

I really love the fact that not one "fact" cited be the idiot has
stood up to examination without being changed once being called on it.
Three goats became four and then sixteen....average weights went up
and down (he finally said he has pygmy goats and claims they range in
weight from 60-150 pounds, breed all year, and are absolutely trouble
free.

Pygmy goats almost never get above 70 pounds (45-60 is average), are
very prone to freezing and illness due to weather (they were bred in
desert Afrika), and will begin to modify their reproduction rate to
fit any other goat in a non-equatorial climate within three to five
years (do the research, idiot).

There is a reason why pygmy goats are almost exclusively used as pets
in the US and it isn't because it's they're supergoats that make the
rest feel bad due to inadequacies.

His original claim that "three goats will keep you in meat and milk"
for the average survivalist/minimalist lifestyle has thus become
"become a goatherd and maintain a minimum of 16 goats to keep yourself
in meat and milk".

ral


Doesn't it take at least 40 of them to prevent genetic deterioration?

Keeping that many animals safe from predators and rustlers and from just
wandering off, milking X number of them every day at dawn and dusk, keeping
them out of his gardens and supplies and the acres of winter fodder that
he'll have to grow, processing everything he harvests from them so that it
will keep, preventing all the females from being pregnant all the time....
Does he know how destructive these animals are to the land and therefore
how many acres it will take to feed them, shifting them from one area to
the next on a regular schedule to keep them from destroying whatever
area they are in?

Is he going to *fence* all that land (8' fences *might* do it) or keep the
whole herd on tethers?

Does he know how hard it is to make a goat do something it doesn't want to do?
Or not-do anything it *wants* to do?

I wonder just who it is that is going to be doing the *other* 500 jobs
that a truly self-sufficient homestead is going to require?

-dir
You haven't got a ****ing clue do you sockpuppet ?
You're starting to sound like your old self alan.
Eight foot fence huh ? I see you have never been out of the city and
seen a farm. Do a bit of research and get out more, before you make a
complete fool of yourself, moron.