Hi Carl
I am not so sure that water salts are washed away when the tree is
watered from above .. but half soaking makes sult climb to the surface
for sure and deposid on teh rim of the pot
full submersion has also some advantages to water /fertilize
eveyrwhere even in the very core of the root pad expell old air and
renew it when flushed awaay .. of course it depends again of the
kind of soil, plant,season, and so on
For example in high % of soil with peat the earth when dried and
compacts , reduce in size so watering even if given 10 times from
above will make water run between the root pad and the pot walls .. and
will never reach the inside .. in this case teh best solution is
soaking for 15 minutres or more
When the surface of a bonsai soil is covered with moss the water
will run over it like on a velvet so it takes more that 3 times to
water properly the tree ..
The soil itself is not compacted in theh pot in the same
consistency so water will take the esiest way to run out and leave dry
zones inside ( especilaly in the *root ball core *
The pipes where the water is running all the time get clogged with
calcar anyway .. Both sistems are valid each has its own advantages
and disavantages.. one cannot apply them as a rule to all bonsai
In Bonsai technics there is a difference between the theory and the
practice and and we have always to adapt the know how to the specific
situation .... and not apply the rule word by word
just my two cents...
Theo
Carl L Rosner wrote:

Dear IBCers:
This is another one of those things that we will be debating for many
years.... I tend to agree with Brent. I hand-water, from above, three
times with at least a 15-minute interval. Accumulated salts, are
usually washed out by the second and especially the third watering.
Of course, this is my Humble Opinion!

Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7
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Brent Walston wrote:

Folks

It's not a REALLY big deal, unless you live in a hard water area, BUT
there
most certainly is a difference:

When you soak a plant (dunk it), it sits in the same volume of water
without any active circulation. The soil gets saturated. When you lift it
out, it drains. There has been a flush with only the volume of drain
water,
regardless of the size of the container used for soaking. If you don't
let
water go above the rim of the pot, but rather let it get to the top by
capillary action, there is effectiviely NO flushing action of the top
layers of soil. Each watering will add a little more salt deposit as the
water is evaporated or absorbed by the plant

When you water from above, the reverse is true. The top layers of soil
are
continually bathed in fresh water with a less than saturated amount of
dissolved salt. This tends to dissolve any salt left behind by the
evaporation of the previous watering. Additionally, as the soil becomes
saturated, it drains, and additional watering will flush the soil with
many
times the volume of the pot depending on how long you water. If you
are in
a hard water area, watering overhead by a mist irrigation spray or
other system
attached to a timer allows you to flush virtually all of the dissolved
salt
that is practically possible.

The same is true of air flow through the soil mixture, although I doubt
this is as important as the salt flushing action of water flow. If you
dunk
your plant, the water drains out the bottom and pulls in a fresh
charge of
air behind it. One change of air, but probably adequate. If you water
from
above much more air will be pulled through the soil mixture, unless you
water with a firehose and have some way of not blasting out the soil.
Hey,
glued on rocks!


Brent in Northern California
Evergreen Gardenworks USDA Zone 8



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