Ingrid is such a gem when it comes to stuff like this.
She gives an article URL and did any one read it or just assumed she knows
what she is talking about. The article states that the tongues of Hamsters
showed high level of prions when the abnormal prions were injected into the
Hamster's Brain. The article goes on to say, and I quote;
"This doesn't prove that cows with BSE have prion-loaded tongues, or that
eating these tongues could cause human disease, says Bessen, who works at
Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska."
Also research has not shown the prions to be in nerve ends and ganglia of
muscle tissue of beef. This is usually found in the brains and the spinal
column nervous system. The article also pointed out that mice remained
healthy when injected with nerve tissue from Beef tongue.
All the article said was that because of what happened with Hamsters, it
would support further research in to this avenue, but nothing conclusive as
been found.
Let us all remember that one cow was found to have the disease and it was
found to have come from Canada two years ago. Also there is no human
response to the disease yet here in the US or Canada from what I have heard
in the form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
Also something to remember is that when disease was found in Great Britain
in 1994 in humans by the end of the year only 8 people were infected and to
this day only supposition has been given as to how these people got it,
since there was no correlation between these eight people. Now as the
counting continued in 1999, five years later, the accumulated total of
people that succumbed to the disease were 24.
It would seem to me that if you want to get your underwear in a knot about
something why not start stamping your feet about the AID epidemic in Africa
where every third person in Central Africa has AIDS and in southern Africa
every 4th person has it. In provinces in and around South Africa there are
200,000 children orphaned by AIDS taking both Mother and Father. These chi
ldren have no one. There are no social services like here in the US or
Canada. The children have nothing or no one to help.
I find this thread interesting that there is all this pointing of fingers,
and some of Canadian members seem to be gleeful because is has happened here
in the US. If you wanted to be scared about a possible situation, think
what would happen in both the US, Canada and Europe if MCD got into the
Holstein herds. Holsteins produce 95% of the milk worldwide. Hey, milk
has proteins, if milk producing herds had to be destroyed it would devastate
both the US and Canada, not forgetting Europe.
Let's just hope that now something will we done, instead of just pointing
fingers and the making of political accusations.
Tom L.L.
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There is good reason to be cautious Jan. Prions (infectious proteins)
have been
shown to infect muscles like the tongue thru the nervous tissue
(http://www.nature.com/nsu/021230/021230-5.html). Muscles are loaded with
nerves.
But more important is what is NOT KNOWN. For instance, a meat packer in
England got
the human form of BSE even tho he was a vegetarian. They think it was
from handling
the meat.
Most puzzling of all is the epidemic of "mad deer" in Wisconsin and other
states.
Evidently wild game farms were allowed to feed recycled meat products to
their game
farm deer. These deer jumped the fence and mixed with the wild deer
population and
it spread. SPREAD???!!!! nobody seems to have a handle on how it spread
from deer
to deer in the wild, altho wild deer could have been jumping into the farm
and eating
contaminated feed. We do know prion disease has been present in wild Elk
for a long
time.
http://www.wisc.edu/foodsafety/consu...sheets/BSE.htm
suggests that prions can be spread by blood. And you are correct, normal
cooking
temps dont kill it, nor does freezing. Ingrid
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new
machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off
very
close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column
tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs
out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely
suspect
w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat
temps we cook at.
They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not
scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to
Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I
get
more answers. ~ jan
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron"
wrote:
Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media
driven.
Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you
are
eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of
anyone,
I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks,
etc.
Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may
be
at risk.
Tom L.L.
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
. ..
Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for
Christmas.
The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website
with
the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out
that
Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased.
Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just
before
my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is
gonna
get
tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to
clean
up its act, according to news articles coming out.
Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for
a
month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify
consumers
after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes
from
slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan
On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote:
Well, drat!
Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy
story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm
not too far from where jj and k30a live.
And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground
beef from the plant that processed the poor
cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at
our stores, part of the recall.
Not that we're all that worried from what
we've been reading but sheesh!
What a way to waltz into Christmas!
And here I was teasing my CA brother about
his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-)
ka30p
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