Alan Connor wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:27:03 -0600, charles krin wrote:


On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:32:04 GMT, "(Pete Cresswell)" wrote:

RE/
At 800 ppm, for instance, the symptoms will start in
45 minutes and you'll be dead after 3 hours. At 1600
pps it starts in 20 minutes and you're dead 40 minutes
after that. At 6400 the pain starts in 2 minutes and
you fall down go boom die in 10-15.

This is why I've got CO monitors - plural - in my
house. This stuff is NOTHING to fool around with.

And, according to what I've heard, a nasty little add-on is that one's
hemogloben has a greater affinity for CO than it does for O2. Net
result is that once the stuff's bonded to enough hemogloben even if you
get out to fresh air or somebody drags you out you're still going to die
because the O2 from the fresh air can't get to the hemogloben.

chuckle...while CO attaches to hemoglobin roughly 300 times as
strongly as O2 does, it has a half life in the body of about 15-18
hours...so as long as you are still breathing when the medics get to
you, high percentage oxygen therapy has a good chance of working. Some
folks claim that hyperbaric oxygen cuts the treatment time by half,
but most of the recoverable cases manage without hyperbarics.

Hydrogen sulfide (H2S), the so called 'rotten egg gas', is
substantially more toxic, almost as toxic as Hydrogen Cyanide
(HCN)...and despite the strong smell initially, then nose rapidly
adapts, and there is no further warning...


Didn't know that about H2S. Never used it.

(Never will, now.)

A *very* effective 'stink bomb' is a mild butyric acid solution.

Smells like vomit (which is why it is know as "stench") and being a
mild organic acid, bonds to just about anything.

You can render clothes and packs un-wearable, and tents and buildings
and vehicles un-usable, for very long periods, if not forever.

A guerilla team in the bush that ran afoul of stench booby-trap would be
in serious trouble.

They could be smelled for a long ways and would upset the wildlife
all around them and be incredibly miserable, IF they could even bear
to wear their clothes and packs. I don't think they could. That stuff
is upchuck city. I think they'd have to return to get re-supplied, and
would be lucky to make it if they were very far into enemy territory.

There's something very primal about scents. It's the only sense we have
that is connected directly to the brain.

AC

or you made that all up, idiot.
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