On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:29:13 +0000 (UTC), "Kim Bewick"
wrote:

~Hi
~Having very recently asked questions on this group regarding allotments and
~receiving some excellent replies and suggestions, I really can't see the
~point of setting up another NG when all the help you could possibly want is
~here anyway.
~Just my opinion for what it's worth :-)
~Regards
~Kim
~
Kim, if this is what you think, then please follow the voting
procedure and tell them so. (if you haven't done so already)

jane

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~ SECOND CALL FOR VOTES (OF 2)
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~ Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
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~ Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 16th Mar 2004.
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~ For questions about the proposed new newsgroup please contact the
~ proponent.
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~ Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk
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~ RATIONALE from the last RFD
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~ I have searched to find many allotment web sites and found that if
~ this group was opened it would allow all allotment (and would be)
~ allotment holders to to exchange views in one convenient place.
~ This in turn would give valued exchange of views by every visitor.
~ To also pick up tips and sometimes tricks into allotment gardening.
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~ PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion
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~ I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I
~ can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to
~ a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than
~ no votes.
~
~ "Some" people are still against the formation of
~ uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a
~ total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are
~ "plots of land" not your common house "garden".
~
~ People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments
~ because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with
~ regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people
~ are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select
~ few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote.
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~ CHANGES from the last RFD
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~ None
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~ NEWSGROUPS LINE
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~ uk.rec.gardening.allotments Allotments holders group
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~ CHARTER: uk.rec.gardening.allotments
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~ To discuss allotment issues, planting times, tips on gardening, pest
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jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!