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Old 08-03-2004, 04:50 PM
Ted Byers
 
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Default Phal Leuchorroda ?

While I don't like confusion in naming plants and animals and I understand
the havoc that can plat for commercial horticulturalists and private
collectors, I find it helpful to examine the history behind it and the
reasons different taxonomists give for making distinctions.

Here is what Christenson has to say that is of some relevance.

"phal philippinensis being a natural hybrid of Phal.amabilis var.aphrodite X
Phal.schilleriana"

In his enry for P. philippinensis, he says:
"When P. philippinensis was first discovered and brought into cultivation,
it was confused with the similar P. x leucorrhoda."

In his entry for P. x leucorrhoda, he says:
"This is a naurally occuring hybrd between P. aphrodite and P.
schilleriana."

and:
"When first introduced, P. philippinensis was consistently confused with P.
x leucorrhoda. The calli of the two entities are quite different: in P. x
leucorrhoda the posterior corners of the callus are sharply pointed teeth;
in P. philippinensis the posterior corners of the callus are broadly
rounded."

In his entry for P. aphrodite, he says:
"Phalaenopsis aphrodite has been confused with P. amabilis, whose flowers
are very similar. In addition to having distinct ranges, with P. amabilis
only recorded from the southern Philippines, there callus structures are
distinct. Phalaenopsis aphrodite has the posterior edge of the callus
divided into four teeth. This is unlike the callus of P. amabilis, which is
divided into only two teeth." (He had previously written that P. aphrodite
was from northern Philippines and Taiwan.)

And under P. amabilis, he says:
"Lindley was confused over the identification of the true P.amabilis and
consistently applied that name to plants of P. aphrodite. As a result of
this confusion, Lindley needed a name for this 'other' species and he
redescribed true P. amabilis as P. grandiflora."

and:
"One ongoing confusion with P. amabilis is the application of the name to
white flowered plants originating from southern Taiwan. Those Taiwanese
plants ae correctly a subspecies of P. aphrodite." " No true P. amabilis
has been recorded from Taiwan or its neighboring islands."

What a mess! The naming confusion appears to arise from disagreements
between taxonomists. And, one has to think about the question: "Is a
difference in the callus, of the sort Christenson describes, sufficient to
regard a given pair of plants as being from different species rather than as
merely different races of the same species?" And, "What if such a
difference is correlated with distinct ranges?" After all, it seems that
distinctions among most of the species and hybrids mentioned above are
based, at least by Christenson, on what seem like modest differences in the
callus.

I wonder how many species of Man would have been identified by modern
taxonomists had hominids been classified using the same methods as those
used for orchids. It seems to me that the physiognomic variability in Man
is much greater than it is in the whole genus Phalaenopsis.

Ah the hazards of taxonomy when we don't have a solid theoretically valid
understanding of what species are or how to apply such an understanding in
the real world. I'd suggest that the primary reason modern taxonomy is mind
boggling is that it occurs largely in a theoretical vaccume, and is in
practice more like a suite of personality cults; with arguments based on the
opinions of authority figures rather than on real science.

Does this help, or add to your confusion? :-)

Cheers,

Ted

"wendy7" wrote in message
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Hi Joanna, thanks for posting this. I find all this naming so mind

boggling
& then
when searching it gets worse! (The mind, that is?)
I found a pic of Phal. Leuchorroda that looks just like mine so will make
notes of the
natural cross. I guess nothing is written in stone?
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Cheers Wendy

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J Fortuna wrote:
[I am double-posting this message to rgo, so that this thread gets
archived. This is a thread started on abpo]

Claude,

Hmm, very interesting. Does the Syn. stand for "synonym"?

Phal philippinensis certainly seems to result in a lot more search
results in google. Also,
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~fk8t-tnk/q-phi.htm for example seems to
confirm Rod's statement about phal philippinensis being a natural
hybrid of Phal.amabilis var.aphrodite X Phal.schilleriana -- and this
site even mentions the alternative name, spelling it "leucorhoda"
though. Many sites however just list phal philippinensis as a species
phal.

I wonder whether there is debate about this being a natural hybrid or
a separate species, or whether those who identify this as a species
just do so to simplify the description?

Joanna

"Claude" wrote in message
s.com...
This is what I found:

Phal. leuchorroda Syn. Phal. philippinensis

the site:
http://www.sorellaorchids.com/orchid_list.htm

Hope this help!

Claude


"wendy7" wrote in message
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Thanks much Joanna, interestingly Rod was my very first internet
orchid vendor,
seems like such a long time ago.
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Cheers Wendy

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J Fortuna wrote:
Wendy,
Here is some info on Phal Leuchorroda posted in rgo in 1997 by Rod
from Venger's Orchids:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...ers.com&rnum=1
Best,
Joanna

"wendy7" wrote in message
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This phal is labelled Phal. leuchorroda. Have not found any info
on it? It is mounted on a 5x6" piece of cork bark.
It has mottled leaves and two spikes, one is more
pink?
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Cheers Wendy

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