In article , Nick Maclaren wrote:

In article , Jaques d'Alltrades writes:
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| It is a dogwood and I am fairly sure that it is this one.
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| That's what i thought at first, but a close look suggested Rubus.

If so, almost certainly Rubus phoenicolasius.

I think we're committed to leaving the plants in situ now, if only to
answer the question. Give it a couple of weeks and there should be some
leaves fully out, which might give more clues...

James