Thanks for the info, Rich. I may use this technique and forget
using the Savio. It (the Savio) is still in the garage. Great
for sitting the groceries on while I open the door ;-)

Nedra
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http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"RichToyBox" wrote in message
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First bottom drain was a vertical 2 inch pipe going from the skimmer to
the
deep area. When I retrofitted with a vortex, I put in a new 4 inch
vertical
pipe. Both ended about 1/2 inch to an inch off the bottom. They have
been
known to pick up rocks out of the deep area. The small pond still has the
2
inch vertical pipe through the front of the skimmer. The large pond has
always had large volume Sequence pumps on it. The small pond has two
submersible pumps in the skimmer. Both started out being 1200 GPH but one
has been replaced with a 1800 GPH.
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RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Nedra" wrote in message
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Rich,
about how far from the bottom of the pond does the pipe sit?
How large a pipe are you using? And what size pump do you
have for this configuration?
Nedra

"RichToyBox" wrote in message
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The smaller the pipe, the more friction, and consequently the less
water
flow. There is a table showing the friction values for different
sizes
of
pipe at http://www.mdminc.com/friction_loss_chart.htm. I have looked
at
Beckett to try to find the efficiency curves that show flow at
different
heads, but they do not post them. You should be able to see the
amount
of
head loss due to friction for different size pipes and see that there
is
a
point of diminishing returns on pipe size.

As for the PVC liner, I have never heard of anyone having long term
success
with it. The majority of ponds are made with the heavier EPDM, though
there
are a couple of other materials that you can research by doing a
Google
of
rec.ponds.

My bottom drain is just a pipe that runs to the lowest part of the
pond
and
it works fine. It might have been better to have a true domed bottom
drain,
but the vertical pipe into a deliberately created low spot has worked.
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RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"DAN" wrote in message
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Hello all,

I have a few questions and hope someone might be able to help.

I have a Beckett pump, forgot the rating, but its outlet is 1.5
inch.
I've read that you need to push the water through 3 inch pipes. So
if
I use adapters I can go from 1.5 to 3 inch. Would this be ok for
the
pump, would I gain anything from doing this or should I just leave
it
at 1.5 inch.

Home Depot sells 20 mil PVC liner. Is this any good. 17x18 for
$169
Can I get something better and cheaper.

A pond store guy told me that instead of a bottom drain, I should
just
run a pipe to the deepest part of the pond. The end of it would
just
be a strainer/grill that prevents fish from getting sucked in. This
way I don't have to put the drain through a liner and worry if it
leaks. Any opinions/advice about this.

Thanks in advance.