On 6/4/04 2:06 PM, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"gary davis" wrote in message
...
On 5/30/04 3:43 AM, in article
, "paulr"
wrote:

Hi,

I`ve searched high and low to find some clear answers to how to
clear
an overgrown garden but without much luck. So i thought i`d just
ask.

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it
currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple
of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole
garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go
at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

any help would be greatly appriciated.

thanks

J
Hi,
I have read all the posts to date and am somewhat surprised that
there
are some who still suggest using a chemical to kill the weeds. "It
will do
no harm" is the usual response.

Please list the types of harm which will result from the use of
glyphosate.

Gosh Franz I would think that it is a little early to tell. Maybe you should
wait and ask your grandchildren...they will know if there is a problem or
not. But unfortunately, then, it will be too late for us to change the
results.
The texture of plants killed with this 'stuff' is different. I don't know
how to describe it.

I remember in the early years of the 2nd
World War when some Canadian soldiers were subjected to radiation
(or
something) and were told "It will do no harm"! That was not true!
After
hearing about that I am always suspect about anyone who says "It
will do no
harm!"

And did whatever it was do any harm?

The test was a mustard gas test. Burnt skin, lungs etc.

Therefore, my suggestions are as follows and the reasons:

A therefore should be preceded by some logical argument giving one or
more "because"s before culminating in "Therefore........."

Franz this is the WWW not English 101 and the topic is gardening.



Firstly, cut down the weeds with some kind of mechanical tool... A
man, for
example, with a scythe. Or use a lawn mower raised to the highest
cutting
level. Or a weed eater...that's what we call them in
Canada...probably the
same as a petrol strimmer. It's a motorized or electric weed cutter
downer!
You do want to do this before the weeds go to seed!
It sounds like this particular area was at one time a garden. It
should
be easy digging! Dig it in, one shovel full at a time. Try to bury
as much
of the green leaves as you can. Dig, flip and roll the greenery into
the
bottom of the just dug hole. (Digging the first shovel full, turn
over just
on the edge of the hole you have just dug. As it rolls, the tops
(green)
will fall into the hole.) Try to cover any greenery left from the
first
shovel full with the following shovel full. Don't worry about the
greenery
left showing. Right now we want to get the whole garden turned over.
We will
look after the 'greenery left showing' later.
Remember, we are doing this one shovel full at a time. Turn over
a few
shovel fulls then sit down with your favourite beverage and enjoy
the work
you have done! It looks good, doesn't it?

What happened to the roots of the perennial weeds?

Franz, really now! They are exposed to the elements just like all the
weeds...

And just think-no chemicals! And you are using green compost!
Good for
the worms and that is good for whatever you plant there later.

Very much less labour would be involved in using glyphosate to kill
the weeds. After the weeds are well and truly dead,

They are dead alright and their texture is disgusting.

the leftovers can
be raked up and put on a compost heap.

I would never, never ever put them in my compost heap, but then just where
do we put them? In the garbage? Where does the garbage go? To the ocean?
Ouch!

The roots, which will be dead
after the treatment, may be left to rot in the ground.

Yes Franz...tell that to your grandchildren. And what you say about being
easy is true. Yes it is easy but there is much to be learned about the long
term affects of such a product that kills plants so effectively. If it
sounds too good to be true...it probably is.


Should you have any fledgling ice hockey players in your town,
tell them
you have a great way for them to improve their wrist shot or slap
shot! (It
will strengthen their wrists and arms). Get them to dig it for you.
Be sure
that they read the above instructions. Tell them you won't charge
them for
the experience. Well, good luck with that one!

That's my 'how' and 'why'. No chemical is a good chemical...ask
any
worm...they work 24-7 and in the dark...as far as I know!

Why do you want to dig at all?

Firstly, to do our part to protect the environment and to get some
exercise...digging is good for toning the arms and shoulders and after all
it is only one shovel full at a time!

just mulch thickly with manure or
compost.

Franz good points made but we don't know where she lives and maybe she
doesn't have manure or any compost where she lives.

TIME OUT:
Excuse me Ms...( I can't find her name...well, the Lady who posted this
original question...it was a lady wasn't it? Do you have lots of compost? Do
you have lots of manure like Franz suggests, to do what Franz suggested? Or
maybe there are ice hockey players in town...Franz, do you have ice hockey
players in your town? Get them to go over and help this lady with her
garden...ah..yes...grass....weeds!

The worms will do the digging, 24/7 as you said.

Yes Franz either way they will do the 'digging' unless we kill them off with
unknown 'beneficial' chemicals.


Gary
Fort Langley, BC
Canada

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