In article , Frogleg
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"gary davis" wrote

Humm...no! Don't ever use Roundup. We are trying to kill a former tree not
the drinking waters.

Nonsense. RoundUp does absolutely nothing to groundwater or indeed, to
the ground.

Nonsense. But lets see how many lying Monsanto employees we can beat out
of the bushes to tell whoppers (the company instructs its employees to
contradict the truth on the web & on UseNet whenever they see actualities
mentioned). Here goes:

The surficant in RoundUp is directly responsible for extreme & lasting
damage that has been done to watersheds & water tables. Separate studies
have found it directly responsible for eradication of frogs.

There is more surficant in RoundUp than glyphosate, so it is a huge danger
to watersheds just on its major ingredient. But as for glyphosate in
watersheds, glyphosate easily nitrosates, forming N-nitrosoglyphosate, an
unsafe
chemical in its own right, & which degrades into Formeldehyde Sarcosine,
Methylamine, & aminomethylphosphonic acid -- so if it were even slightly
true glyphosate per se does not migrate to water, this would be because
deadly break-down chemicals do so instead.

To Monsanto this translates "glyphosate does not migrate to water."
Well, actually, it does, & Western Australia studies have proven it,
but even in environments where the glyphosate itself is broken down
rapidly hence cannot itself migrate to water, the harmful chemicals it
breaks down into, some of which are additionally carcinogenic, DO migrate
to water.

The Institute for Environment & Resources at Denmark's Technical
University concluded that regional wells in Roskilde and Storstroms cannot
be safely used for TEN YEARS because glyphosate has so badly polluted the
water table. The Institute has said it point-blank, and the Danish
Environmental
Ministry has repeated it point-blank: Monsanto's claims that glyphosate is
rapidly broken down by bacteria in the environment is false. False. What
is true is that this claim has never been supported by any research other
than was bought & paid for or conducted by Monsanto.

A western Australia study established that three species of frog were now
extinct because of glyphosate products. Separate & supportive studies on
loss of frogs & tadpoles in Canada have further established
at least ONE permanent & irrepairable effect of glyphosate products
on frogs: Extinction. The studies that have indicated that glyphosate
itself may be involved in the rising rates of lymphatic cancers in humans
is frightening enough, but the chemical mixes that have reach wetlands
are undeniably involved in the mass extinction of frogs -- so the only
sensible decision in light of even that one issue would
have to be STOP USING THESE POISONS.

Glysophate is an extremely effective herbicide, NOT a
poison for people or animals or insects.

Nonsense. The most common chemical injury presenting in California
emergency rooms turns out to be from RoundUp exposure & other
glyphosate-containing products. The majority are eye injuries & accidental
injestion by children or suicide attempts -- it is a very effective
chemical if you want to commit suicide.

Vigfusson & Vyse in MUTATION RESEARCH and Hardell & Erickson in the
JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY find evidence of glyphosate as a
cancer causing agent, a likely cause of the increase in nonhodgson's
lymphoma.

More studies need to be done on glyphosate as a carcinogen, but many other
dangerous problems with glyphosate are well established by INDEPENDENT
research. A Finish study found that glyphosate lingers at toxic levels for
long periods, with an average half-life of 249 days (as opposed to the
maximum 60 day halflife claimed by Monsanto).

A half dozen studies on glyphosate's long-term destruction of beneficial
funguses in the soil credit glyphosate usage for rendering soils entirely
incapable of supporting life for many years at a st retch, once the
mycorrhizal webs are interupted.
Virtually all Absolutely Safe findings about glyphosate are either
generated in-house by Monsanto for self-serving purposes, or paid for by
Monsanto. Genuinely independent research is rarely if ever so positive as
the Monsanto-generated studies.

Monsanto, while fighting in the Australian courts to not reveal what the
miscellaneous ingredients in their glyphosate products really are, & to
limit the scope of eventual bans on several once-normative uses of
glyphosate in western Australia, rather like the cigarette companies at
first would not admit to any faults in their products, but eventually did
admit their glyphosate products had indeed caused "severe local effects"
in the Australian environment, & also finally admitted that the
low-organic-matter soils in Australia meant their glyphosate products
would not biodegrade even after a full year.

The public is not even allowed to know what the miscellaneous contents of
products like RoundUp really are. The lab tests on pure chemicals
ultimately do not apply to the toxic "mixes" of chemicals in these
products. "Mixes" of chemicals can become increasingly dangerous; for
instance, Monsanto doesn't want anyone to know that glyphosate used in the
proxity of phosphates triples in toxicity -- which means really the label
should carry the "Warning: do not use near areas that are fertilized." In
1996 Judge Robertson by court order forced Monsanto to reveal other
ingredients of their glyphosate-based brands, but the list was then sealed
by court order, so the public still does not know. Fifteen chemicals ARE
known for RoundUp alone, but the packaging lists far fewer.

NO STUDY has ever been done on the actual chemical mixes in play, and the
public and independent researchers are not even allowed to know what those
chemicals might be. But independent studies have measured toxins in
watersheds, & it is clear that these deadly Monsanto products already
pollute exactly the kind of areas Monsanto-purchased studies pretend
aren't harmed.

Make no mistake. Glyphosate is dangerous stuff. If you and I were the only
two dumbass shitheads ever to use it, then it'd be okay, but tons and tons and
tons are being dumped everywhere, and Monsanto is developing
glyphosate-tolerant crops so that they can sell three, four, TEN times the
amount of glyphosate to be dumped on the planet. Monsanto's future hinges
on their ability to sell lots of glyphosate to use on
glyophosate-resistant crops -- expect them to continue to fight with every
weapon they can to keep governments from responding rationally to a very
large threat to the environment & human health, to continue to buy of
government officials, & to keep the public too confused by Monsanto
misinformation to be sure of anything.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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