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In article , hugh
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In message , Kay
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In article , hugh
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OK, the OP doesn't want a wildflower meadow. But the more we
encourage
a
style of gardening dependent on high levels of fertiliser, the
more we
contribute to high levels of nutrient in our wild countryside and
in
our
waterways, which is damaging the diversity of our countryside.

snip

Gardens and countryside are intermixed,
waterways go through both. Your personal use of fertiliser may not
have
much effect, but I was talking about an overall philosophy of
gardening
which regards regular fertiliser, pesticide and weedkiller use as a
necessity. If you read what I said, I was suggesting that a dislike of
this approach might be why people were suggesting that a pure grass
lawn
was not necessarily to be desired.

If that is your philosophy, then, presumably, you are also careful not
to
grow in your garden any alien or hybrid plants (including most clovers)
which might escape into the wild, hence risking 'damaging' the diversity
of
the countryside?

Kay has spoken sensibly for herself; but it's my philosophy, too.
Isn't it impressive how far some athletic readers can jump from
'...suggesting...might be...suggesting that a pure xxx was not
necessarily to be desired'? Your middle name must be Tarzan!

Sorry, no end of careful reading allows me to make sense of that paragraph,
and I have already been told off today for trying to read between the lines.
Besides, if you have been reading the thread throughout, it should be
obvious what I was driving at.


Of _course_ I wouldn't plant alien species which I knew were likely to
establish themselves in numbers in the wild, or interbreed with native
species: I hope you aren't suggesting that _you would_.

I have made no suggestions about my actions. I was trying to ascertain
whether Kay's views about the close relationship between gardens and the
environment and her expressed concern about the possible effects of
gardening on the environment led her to limit species in her garden to
native plants alone, and presumably, to advise others not to plant non
native species, too.


But I'll admit that I'm worried by those quotation marks you put round
'damaging': they're not entirely promising.

Why should it worry you that I put quotation marks round 'damaging'? One
person's 'damage' can be another person's 'improvement' or a third person's
'modification'. Further, damage may be significant, or insignificant. It's a
very subjective term. I put quotes round 'damaging' to denote I was
'borrrowing' it from Kay, for the purposes of the discussion. Nothing
sinister in that, I hope.

And I don't quite know
what to expect from one who's prepared to drop that unexplained
'including most clovers' into the discussion, so I'm on my guard for
sophistry!


Unexplained? The original subject of this thread was 'clover in lawn'. As
for Sophism, any fallacies detected will have been used unintentionally. And
one can't be an accidental Sophist, surely?