Kevin,

There are just too may ways to do black pines to
assume you can take notes and get it right. You
really have to work slowly and do what the plant tells
you to do. That said....

There is an older method where you pinch new candles
back 1/3 to pus growth bac into the tree. You do this
as the candles come out. You still remove this year's
growth, later, the date determined by your area.
Needle pullling has always been around. The idea is
to either pull all needles if you know how to do so
without damaging latent buds, or to leave a thinned
out version of needles, more than the buds you desire,
as all will not necessiarly sprout. Or you can shoen
last year's needles by cutting the needles back,
leaving about 1/2 or so behind. This is a bit like
partial leaf cutting.

--- Kevin wrote:
If I am following the notes correctly, most on this
board are advocating
removing part of the current years new growth for
ramification, and in
Michael's case thinning needles prior to partially
cutting back candles?


Most things I have read suggest removing the current
years growth completely
except in the fall.


Kevin.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitsune Miko"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:53 PM
Subject: [IBC] black pines


OK picture approximately this:

\|/
/ \

This is looking at the tip of the branch. The
positions on a clock would
be more like 12, 2, 4, 8, 10.

This is the method used by Mitsuya in Japan. This
is only the tip. You
would thin out the buds if all popped back. You
would take out two or three
of the 5 buds.

Other needles further back on the branch are kept
for possible back
budding. Again, you keep a few more than necessary.

Remember this works in Japan and in California. I
will not vouch for it
working elsewhere.

Kitsune Miko
Brent wrote:
I have owned a black Bonsai pine for 8 years. I
have kept it alive and
health, but I still don' know what you mean to cut
back to five bunches of
needles. Any help is appreciated.


"Isom, Jeff , EM, PTL" wrote in message


news:40F6934F9170964AAAD62F1E48579EB8B1F33D@RDGMLV EM01.e2k.ad.ge.com...
Will this work on other 2-needle pines as well?
Specifically: Mugho,
Scotts and Bosnian.

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39


-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club
]On Behalf
Of Kitsune Miko
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:52 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] black pines


In my 25 years of dong bonsai, I have seen
almost as many methods for
controling needle length on black pines. The
current one we are using in
California is to cut back all new growth during
the month of July, leaving
only 5 bunches of needles to bud into candles. I
was wondering about the
timing. I used to do this in mid to late August.

Others? Michael?

Kitsune Miko


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