Hi Kirsty,



"Kirsty" wrote in message news:411775ac@tyson...
What the internet/permaculture needs is visible examples to give it
strength, and inspire.

I found that quite frustrating when i first got into permaculture (and the
internet around the same time).


Below are the web sites I have found on permaculture or permaculture
related,
that offer more than 'I can sell you a pc' or have been designed badly/
have minimal information and do not give permaculture justice.

http://pathtofreedom.com/
http://www.diggers.com.au/
http://www.ata.org.au/
http://www.organicdownunder.com/
http://www.seedsavers.net/index.html
http://users.easystreet.com/ersson/
bit of snippage for brevity
It would be great to see more 'good' permaculture
examples being visible in the first 10 pages of a google search, but as
one
of you did point out, not everyone has the knowledge
or resources to aquire this 'status'. And quite possible, those who
practice
permaculture do not always have time or resources to document it for the
net.
I personally kept a 2 year blogg on our development, but this year, while
I
have photographed the yards progress, I have not uploaded
this information to any site. Mostly due to lack of time.

http://www.jeack.com.au/~kirsty/ 2002/2003

Nice site, you and your partner have obviously put in a lot of work at your
place, where in Melbourne are you (no need to be too specific obviously
i'm in the Dandenong Ranges for 115 more days then it's off to northern NSW
and sunshine and subtropical climate for me!)


My local permaculture group set up a in house mail list, which we use to
converse (like you seem to here)
with short queries. ie where to find a good timer supplier from last week,
which my partner put up in html.
http://www.auckett.net/permaculture/..._2nd_hand.html

But wouldn't it be great if this was all found on one good site !!

Yes it would, it would be a handy local resource.


Hopefully our new site will soon be moved and I will be unemployed.
I may have time in the near future to 'finish' off the new site and get it
on some search engines.

A friend site who has lots of interesting information is
www.snakeshow.net

Interesting site


In short :
Permaculture is definately a grass roots movement.
Unfortunately we are living in a word where 'high' advertising is now the
selling movement, or possible it's saturation
drowns out every other 'selling' product. I don't personally believe
Permaculture lends itself well to the 'selling' approach,
However, Permaculture may not be losing revelance as len points out, but
rather I find it suffers from a
'all theory/few examples/you need the certificate' scenario. I personally
find many permaculturists, or those who want to 'attempt'
permaculture get bogged down with the theory, and achieve very little
because of they are constantly in some 'design' process.

People need examples they can relate to and achive on whatever level, and
the internet could provide them.
In reality Permaculture should be now thriving, and growing, as more and
more people are opting for the
'down shift' or 'sea change' lifestyle, are concerned about the planet,
eat
more organic food etc etc. All which
is fundemental to permaculture.

This is my personal opinion


Kirsty

Welcome to alt.permaculture Kirsty, it's dead as a doornail at the moment,
tho we seem to spark up occassionally

Andrea