In article , Brian Watson
writes

I wasn't trying to catch you out, merely I couldn't think of a good
alternative for ivy, and wanted to know if there was one. I have a
winter jasmine on my wall - it's not clinging, so I have to have wires
for it, and I think a good many people would find ivy more attractive.

Well, it's your wall and you seen determined to have ivy, so do.

If you'd read my post elsewhere in this thread, you'd know that I've
just removed an ivy ;-)

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Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"