"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 24/11/04 9:17, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message
k...
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All along the Labour party has presented
this as a concern for animal welfare. Now they admit it isn't.
To
me,
that's very simple.
Please give a reference to a statement by the Labour Party which
suports your opinion on the matter. If you fail, I will inform
you
that the Conservative Party has said that it will reintroduce
hanging
for murder.
From the Guildford Labour arty site:
Local MP defends her support for hunting
Sue Doughty has consistently voted for the continuation of hunting
on a
number of spurious grounds.
* She claims that hunting is the 'least worst' method of killing
foxes
because the alternative of shooting may result in the fox being
wounded to
later die a long lingering death. So apparently she thinks that the
slow
death of a fox is more cruel than the quicker ritualised slaughter
of
hunting when the fox is subjected to a terrifying chase to the point
of
exhaustion, then savaged by the dogs and ripped apart whilst still
alive.
* That really the argument is essentially a 'touch of class
warfare' -
the fox hunters' main argument. Neither Sue Doughty nor the hunters
seem to
appreciate that it is ONLY an issue of animal cruelty. That is the
reason
for the ban, for exactly the same reasons that cock fighting and
bear
baiting were banned.
From the Watford Labour Party site:
Watford Labour Party welcomes fox hunting ban
Claire Ward was amongst the overwhelming majority of MPs who have
voted in
the Commons to ban fox hunting with dogs.
In the debate on the Bill, which is due to be passed over to the
House of
Lords for a final decision next month, Claire said: ģI think fox
hunting is
a brutal activity that should have been banned a long time ago.
Remarks by Tony Blair:
Press conference, 7 September 2004: "In relation to hunting my
personal
position remains the same"
Breakfast with Frost, 29 September 2002: "I think it is cruel and I
do not
understand why people want to do it in that way....I have voted in a
particular way in the past and I retain that view about
fox-hunting."
Lobby Briefing 17th January 2001: "In answer to questions about the
Prime
Minister's view on hunting, Alastair Campbell said the Prime
Minister
believed that hunting was cruel". [from the 10 Downing Street
website]
http://www.labour.org.uk/news/foxhuntingbill
This links uses the word 'cruelty' several times as its concern.
Quite correctly so. I am sorry that your link does not also use the
phrase "uncivilised barbarism".
You have tried and failed to change the topic. All you succeeded in
achieving is to raise a strawman. I don't fall for strawmen.
Please remember that I am disputing your earlier statement that it was
Labour Party policy to regard the hunting issue as a class war matter.
You have failed abysmally to prove your point.
For the nth time, the rantings of individual party members does not
constitute party policy.
Franz