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I am starting a DYI home-improvement project and I notice
that few power or hand tools are made in the USA. Even
most of the Craftsman brand tools are made in the USA.
Some are made in Taiwan (a democracy I have no problem
doing business with) and Red China (perhaps I should call
them Fascist China, a country where the factories are
owned by the state and staffed with slave labor).
Are you stuck in the '80s? Most Chinese companies have
been privatized.
And who owns these private companies? Mostly it is
well-connected members of the ChiCom party - so for all
intents and purposes, it is still owned by those who run
the government.
Still stuck in the '80s. The ownership has been changing
for quite a while now, but I would not have expected you to
be informed enough to know this.
No actually - your head is up your ass. Can you tell me who
owns the private companies if not the party elite? They just
privatized these factories and now they split the profits not
with the workers, but with their American investors. So you
tell me how while it has changed in shape, the end result
isn't really different?
Seems it's your head up your own ass. China's got a thriving
stock market and ownership is shifting to individuals. I
wouldn't have expected you to know this, it bursts your bubble
of ignorance.
Bullshit - you can say that there is a stockmarket and that is
supposed to mean that your average rank and file Chinese
citizen can own stock? that is such bullshit - that whole thing
is set up to attract foreign investment capital and to also
make it easier to reward the party bigwigs. Their system is
more fascist than free-market capitalism. They could still take
it all back and leave their overseas investors hanging - what
you gonna do when they do that? Sue them?
You've just proven you do not know what the hell you are talking
about. The average citizen DOES OWN STOCK. Give up, you
obviously are clueless about this subject.
The average citizen in China doesn't own stock. Do you know what
the per capita or average income level is in China? There are
like 1.5 billion people over there. Can you show a cite where
you an prove that the average chinese citizen owns stock??
You don't know what the **** you are talking about, why don't you
just shut up idiot. I know many average chinese citizens. They
own stock. The ability of the average Chinese person to live cheap
and save would put most Americans to shame.
You know these citizens from where? You go over to China?
I know them from China, twit. You're an idiot who writes before
reading. I did go over to China, more times than I can remember. I
lived there for several years. I have friends from many different
income levels and from many different places including cities and
the country side. You obviously know nothing about China other than
a few things you read in the paper. As you've now shown, even your
reading skills are limited. I'm done talking to you. Go troll
somehwere else.
You went over to China more times than you can remember? Where did
you lve in China? If the Red Chinese let you over there, they didn't
let you run all over the country and see all the poverty and the
people who had no democratic freedom.
Keep going, you're showing more of your ignorance.
Are you saying that that I am somehow ignorant of the decrease in
poverty and the increase in democratic freedoms in China? Back it up -
and by something that can be proven - not just you saying that you lived
in China, which itself proves noting - since you can't prove you lived
there and I can't check it out. I can check out cites thatr you
provide, but perhaps that is why you haven't provided any.
I don't have to prove shit to you moron. I lived in China. People who
know me know it's a fact. Ever see a US passport that was issued at the
Hong Kong consulate? Didn't think so, but I've got one. There's at
least one person I work with who follows this NG. If I'm lying about
living in China, I'm sure he'll say so.
If they can buy stocks, they can only buy the stocks the commie
*******s want them to buy.
Sure, whatever you say.
Moron - I haven't said anything - I WRITE to post on USENET - no wonder
you have problems understanding logic.
You are such a petty fool.
You make Red China sound like a bastion of freedom, democracy and
capitalism. Maybe you should talk to some Tibetans - they just love
the Red Chinese. Maybe you should just go the **** back there and
live - r starve. I don't care - either way you are a ****ing moron
who can't make a logical argument and can't cite any facts to back up
your claim.
I've backed up my claims, I have personal knowledge of the subject.
You only have a few distorted newspaper articles and an obvious
predjudice that has prevented you from learning much about what has
happened in China over the last 20 years. Get your head out of the
paper. Go experience life and then report back in a few years. Ni bu
zhe dao Zhonggua. Ni tai ben. Ni zui zui ben. Zaijian shagua. And
no, I did not need any help to write that. Go figure it out troll.
YOu have backed up nothing - you claim that you are right because you
lived in China. I don't know you (and don't want to know you), and you
can't prove that you lived there and there is no way to validate your
claims anyway. You offer no cites for facts to back up your claims,
unlike the ones that I have provided.
I can prove I lived there, but you are not worth the time. Did your
cite prove people can't, and don't, own stock? Nope.
One of my bext friends from college is from Taiwan. He was very active
in the political system over there about 5 years ago, and he relocated
his business to mainland China because he speaks the language and he
would have a competitive advantage over people located in the states.
Talking with him when he comes back to the USA, and exchanging e-mail,
he tells me of a China that is definately not the China that you write
about. So what accounts for that difference? Probably because you are
full of shit and have never been to China.
What China have I written about? I've talked about common people being
able to buy stocks. The rest of the things about democracy and freedom
are things you added. Yet more examples of your inability to read and
comprehend.
Another associate of mine is a retired executive/engineer for an
American/Canadian company who worked in China for 5 years, retiring from
that job in mid 2004. He tells me the same thing that my other friend
who lives in China - the economy sucks and there is no democracy for the
average Chinese worker. Also he tells me that it is not uncommon to
see workers missing body parts or otherwise severely injured because
there are no workplace safety and health protections in China. So how
are they better off than we are?
Once again, you are showing you can't read. I never talked about any of
this stuff, although I know all about it. Where did you get your
ability to fabricate?
I roomed with a very cute girl from Taiwan, who has a mother and sisters
over in Taiwan. I also have two friends who teach college-level courses
in Taiwan. They all watch the mainland and they say that things aren't
as good as you claim them to be.
Well isn't that special. I never claimed they were good. I said common
people can, and do, buy stock. The rest is stuff you imagine I said.
So I ask you again - do you have anything other than your word to back
up your claim that things in China are doing great? You say don't read
the newspapers - but what should I read for factual information to back
up your claims? Can you cite just 3 sources of information that back up
your claims? If you can't - you lose and shut the **** up!
I told you. Go there. Visit some farms in the country side. Work in
15 to 20 cities. Talk to some (mainland) Chinese instead of just
Taiwanese who's view of mainland China is biased. Marry one, instead of
rooming with a "cute girl from Taiwan". Once you've done some of these
things, you'll have a better idea of what China is like.
Later troll.
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