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I am starting a DYI home-improvement project and I
notice that few power or hand tools are made in the
USA. Even most of the Craftsman brand tools are made in
the USA. Some are made in Taiwan (a democracy I have no
problem doing business with) and Red China (perhaps I
should call them Fascist China, a country where the
factories are owned by the state and staffed with slave
labor).










Are you stuck in the '80s? Most Chinese companies have
been privatized.









And who owns these private companies? Mostly it is
well-connected members of the ChiCom party - so for all
intents and purposes, it is still owned by those who run
the government.









Still stuck in the '80s. The ownership has been changing
for quite a while now, but I would not have expected you to
be informed enough to know this.









No actually - your head is up your ass. Can you tell me who
owns the private companies if not the party elite? They
just privatized these factories and now they split the
profits not with the workers, but with their American
investors. So you tell me how while it has changed in
shape, the end result isn't really different?









Seems it's your head up your own ass. China's got a thriving
stock market and ownership is shifting to individuals. I
wouldn't have expected you to know this, it bursts your
bubble of ignorance.









Bullshit - you can say that there is a stockmarket and that is
supposed to mean that your average rank and file Chinese
citizen can own stock? that is such bullshit - that whole
thing is set up to attract foreign investment capital and to
also make it easier to reward the party bigwigs. Their system
is more fascist than free-market capitalism. They could still
take it all back and leave their overseas investors hanging -
what you gonna do when they do that? Sue them?









You've just proven you do not know what the hell you are
talking about. The average citizen DOES OWN STOCK. Give up,
you obviously are clueless about this subject.









The average citizen in China doesn't own stock. Do you know
what the per capita or average income level is in China? There
are like 1.5 billion people over there. Can you show a cite
where you an prove that the average chinese citizen owns stock??








You don't know what the **** you are talking about, why don't you
just shut up idiot. I know many average chinese citizens. They
own stock. The ability of the average Chinese person to live
cheap and save would put most Americans to shame.







You know these citizens from where? You go over to China?






I know them from China, twit. You're an idiot who writes before
reading. I did go over to China, more times than I can remember.
I lived there for several years. I have friends from many
different income levels and from many different places including
cities and the country side. You obviously know nothing about
China other than a few things you read in the paper. As you've now
shown, even your reading skills are limited. I'm done talking to
you. Go troll somehwere else.





You went over to China more times than you can remember? Where did
you lve in China? If the Red Chinese let you over there, they
didn't let you run all over the country and see all the poverty and
the people who had no democratic freedom.




Keep going, you're showing more of your ignorance.



Are you saying that that I am somehow ignorant of the decrease in
poverty and the increase in democratic freedoms in China? Back it up
- and by something that can be proven - not just you saying that you
lived in China, which itself proves noting - since you can't prove you
lived there and I can't check it out. I can check out cites thatr you
provide, but perhaps that is why you haven't provided any.


I don't have to prove shit to you moron. I lived in China. People who
know me know it's a fact. Ever see a US passport that was issued at the
Hong Kong consulate? Didn't think so, but I've got one. There's at
least one person I work with who follows this NG. If I'm lying about
living in China, I'm sure he'll say so.

YOu could say you lived on the moon, shared a peanut-butter and banana
sandwich with Elvis last night, and have of of your loser friends back
you up - but it doesn't make it true.



If they can buy stocks, they can only buy the stocks the commie
*******s want them to buy.




Sure, whatever you say.



Moron - I haven't said anything - I WRITE to post on USENET - no
wonder you have problems understanding logic.


You are such a petty fool.

Words mean something - talking is not the same as writing. Anyone who
doesn't understand that there is a difference between talking and
writing is a moron - or a Republican (same thing).




You make Red China sound like a bastion of freedom, democracy and
capitalism. Maybe you should talk to some Tibetans - they just love
the Red Chinese. Maybe you should just go the **** back there and
live - r starve. I don't care - either way you are a ****ing moron
who can't make a logical argument and can't cite any facts to back
up your claim.




I've backed up my claims, I have personal knowledge of the subject.
You only have a few distorted newspaper articles and an obvious
predjudice that has prevented you from learning much about what has
happened in China over the last 20 years. Get your head out of the
paper. Go experience life and then report back in a few years. Ni
bu zhe dao Zhonggua. Ni tai ben. Ni zui zui ben. Zaijian shagua.
And no, I did not need any help to write that. Go figure it out troll.



YOu have backed up nothing - you claim that you are right because you
lived in China. I don't know you (and don't want to know you), and
you can't prove that you lived there and there is no way to validate
your claims anyway. You offer no cites for facts to back up your
claims, unlike the ones that I have provided.


I can prove I lived there, but you are not worth the time. Did your
cite prove people can't, and don't, own stock? Nope.

My cites proved that average people in China don't have rights, and
don't earn enough money to put food on the table - from that any
intelligent person would realize that they wouldn't be starving to
invest in stocks and buy TVs and cars and cell phones. Per capita
income in China according to Business Week is $1000 a year - how much
****ing stock can you buy at that level?

Furthermore, China's high population and the "one-child" policy is
causing another problem which would lead any thinking person to conclude
that workers aren't buying much stock. The Chinese old-age pension
system is broke, and with every worker supporting his or her parents and
their two parents, for a total of 6 other people, how are they going to
eat, live, raise their own kid, take care of parents and family, and
invest in the market?


One of my bext friends from college is from Taiwan. He was very
active in the political system over there about 5 years ago, and he
relocated his business to mainland China because he speaks the
language and he would have a competitive advantage over people located
in the states. Talking with him when he comes back to the USA, and
exchanging e-mail, he tells me of a China that is definately not the
China that you write about. So what accounts for that difference?
Probably because you are full of shit and have never been to China.


What China have I written about? I've talked about common people being
able to buy stocks. The rest of the things about democracy and freedom
are things you added. Yet more examples of your inability to read and
comprehend.

Dinglebarry - since I have not met you personally - you only wrote about
China in your posting, you could not "talk" about it. I read and
comprehend perfectly - you can't talk in print! You are a moron!


Another associate of mine is a retired executive/engineer for an
American/Canadian company who worked in China for 5 years, retiring
from that job in mid 2004. He tells me the same thing that my other
friend who lives in China - the economy sucks and there is no
democracy for the average Chinese worker. Also he tells me that it
is not uncommon to see workers missing body parts or otherwise
severely injured because there are no workplace safety and health
protections in China. So how are they better off than we are?


Once again, you are showing you can't read. I never talked about any of
this stuff, although I know all about it. Where did you get your
ability to fabricate?


I roomed with a very cute girl from Taiwan, who has a mother and
sisters over in Taiwan. I also have two friends who teach
college-level courses in Taiwan. They all watch the mainland and they
say that things aren't as good as you claim them to be.


Well isn't that special. I never claimed they were good. I said common
people can, and do, buy stock. The rest is stuff you imagine I said.

You wrote about it - not talked about it. And given what I wrote about
and the cites I gave, it makes your claim that common people in China
own stock rather unbelievable. Unless you care to back it up with some
cites and facts like I did, you would fail to score points at any debate
except for those held at the Rush Limbaugh fan club.


So I ask you again - do you have anything other than your word to back
up your claim that things in China are doing great? You say don't
read the newspapers - but what should I read for factual information
to back up your claims? Can you cite just 3 sources of information
that back up your claims? If you can't - you lose and shut the **** up!


I told you. Go there. Visit some farms in the country side. Work in
15 to 20 cities. Talk to some (mainland) Chinese instead of just
Taiwanese who's view of mainland China is biased. Marry one, instead of
rooming with a "cute girl from Taiwan". Once you've done some of these
things, you'll have a better idea of what China is like.


I don't have to go there - I can take the word of my friends who have
lived on the mainland and and who live there now. I can base my opinion
on the articles published by sources on both sides of the political
aisle. I know what China is like now and I damn sure wouldn't want to
live there now. I rather like not living in filth and squallor, with
blackouts and horrible public health problems, and having to worry about
losing a finger, arm or other body parts working in factories with no
workplace health and safety protection.

If you liked it so much - why don't you go the **** back there to live?
We damn sure don't need anymore people trying to turn the US into
China with a race to the bottom.