Kay wrote:

I'm not a fan of HTs and floribundas and similar artificial looking
things. But I have several ramblers in amongst other things

I saw a nice idea at the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens in (New) York:
They have a football field* sized rose garden, and my favorite was a number
of rambling roses with Clematis climbing up through them. Flowers of one
sort or another all summer!

*American definition, with the non-round ball.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G