In article , Nick Maclaren
writes

Rosa filipes "Kiftsgate" is described as vigorous, but liking sun.
How much does it grow in a season when small, especially when it
gets only a little sun (it will get more as it grows)?

Very little - a couple of 6ft branches. It won't flower, and if the lack
of sun is because of a tree, and therefore dry soil, it will also get
mildew.

Ours has now reached into the lower branches of a mature lime tree (it's
about 12-15ft up) and is beginning to gallop, but it's taken over 5
years.

And similarly for Halesia monticola.

Both are in good loam.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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Kay
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