On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:41:19 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
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"Malcolm Kane" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:47:22 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
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"Paul" wrote in message
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Why do the RSPB and other conservation hooligan charities such as the
Woodland Trust kill wildlife rather than manage it properly. We all
know killing large numbers of animals merely causes them to breed more
and quicker.

Thats must be why there are lots of whales then?

No, It is always possible to slaughter a species almost to extinction.


But surely Angus when the main pressure was taken off a number of years
ago this principle you have quoted before that it causes faster breeding
would by now have been making a really noticeable difference.
--
Malcolm Kane

As far as I can understand from Angus, if people kill deer then the
population increases, but if (say) wolves kill deer, then the population
decreases or remains the same.

No, you've got it wrong.

Hunters and conservationists would have us believe that it is
necessary to reduce deer numbers to an acceptable population level
that doesn't cause ecological damage. When asked why the population
has increased so rapidly, they tell us that deer reproduce
prolifically and that there are no large predators, namely the wolf,
left to control their numbers. On the face of it, that seems a
reasonable explanation but it is more of a plausible excuse for
hunters to enjoy their grizzly fun and conservationists to employ them
to hunt in almost exactly the same way under the more respectable
guise of culling.

There is no doubt that wolves were predators of deer, but not for a
very long time. The last wolf was killed in the UK around 1750, more
than 250 years ago, and their numbers were in serious decline for many
decades before that. So it is reasonable to assume that wolves have
had little impact on deer for the past 300 - 350 years. With that in
mind one could be excused for thinking that deer numbers would have
escalated at an enormous rate over that period. But it is only in the
last 50-60 years that their numbers have increased significantly,
coinciding with a thriving hunting industry and reforestation that
provides shelter.

And if people kill whales the population
falls, but if they kill deer the population increases.

No, whales are being wiped out whereas deer populations are being
manipulated to provide targets for sick stalkers.

And if the main cause
of death of deer is starvation because there is no predation of any kind,

Absolute rubbish. Old and weak will undoubtably succumb to cold but
that's natural and can improve the gene pool. Over time without
un-natural pressures deer populations like any other species will
stabilise in accordance with their habitat.


and no free deer condom vending machines provided, then there are the right
number of deer. Or something.

The right number of deer is what the habitat sustains.

Perhaps if humans used more condoms the planet wouldn't be in the mess
it is.




Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk