Praeclarissimus Camuloduni wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:22:17 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

Praeclarissimus Camuloduni wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:33:20 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

I would be more inclined to talk to trading standards.

Regards,
Martin Brown

certified under the International Quality Standard ISO 9001:2000 and
ISO 13485. fulfils all regulations under the medical directive
93/42/EEC of the European Community.

All that says is that they have an ISO certificate on the wall and have
written procedures for how to most effectively rip off the punters.

It says nothing at all about the efficacy of the device or the honesty
of any claims made about it. What is your connection with Biotron?

Regards,
Martin Brown

None. I am disabled with PSP so I can't work. I am often offered
alternative treatment for free and always check up to see if I can
find any dirt or deception reports on the products in question.

I am sorry to hear that. But the problem is that Biotron "rays" do not
stand a cats chance in hell of working as claimed. It is bogus
pseudoscience using long words to con innocent victims.

And I object to tax payers money being wasted on expensive spurious
products that at best can only have a placebo effect. It is all the more
annoying that their target market is the weak and vulnerable with long
term and chronic incurable illnesses who are desparate enough to try
anything at any cost. In it's favour at least it isn't obviously
injurious to health unlike some of the other medical scams.

never found any on this item - check yourself . All I have seen is
your opinion. I am trying one at the moment it is well spoken of in
some of the medical forums.

Don't trust anything on the web. Check the Lancet and other peer
reviewed medical journals.

I find people fall into extremes of view
on anything in the "complementary medical field"

There is some stuff in the "complementary field" that deserves to be
wiped out as the fraud that it is. It is just difficult and tedious to
get the hard evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt it does not do
anything that a ordinary boring cheap heat lamp would not do.

I don't think either
approach helps. If you are diagnosed with an 'incurable' disease I
think the best approach is to try other options but approach
realistically with some research so as not to get 'ripped off'. Why
accept a totally negative prognosis?

You would be in the same position buying purple coloured Smarties in the
misguided belief that they were good for PSP. And if you were gullible
enough doubtless some miscreant would sell them to you.

I have friends who are in western
biochemical research and i think the crux of the matter was summed up
by one a drug company statistician who said " you tell me what you
want to prove and I'll prove it". If you go into the logics of
statistics you will find very little solid ground.

That is the typical New Age gullibility. If you want to believe in it
then fine. But if you want taxpayers' money diverted to utterly bogus
corporate con-merchants that is another matter.

thorough internet searches on this product ( its been around for a
long time and they are high profile - sponsoring motor racing)

That only confirms that it is insanely profitable.

can't find any negative reports. If you have found such I would be
happy to see them

It should be referred to NICE as a matter of priority if the NHS really
is wasting its money on this utter garbage.

You would get the same results with an anglepoise lamp and a sheet of
polaroid. That in essence is what their claims amount to. I really like
the optional "6 hand-blown antique glass filters to provide vibrant
beams of red, blue, yellow, green and violet. * Essential oils and
essences in Bioptron 'Light fluid', 'Balancing gel' and 'Crystal cream'
*" a snip at just £200. Taken from one of their sales pitches

They see you as a business opportunity and will milk you dry.
Caveat emptor.

Regards,
Martin Brown