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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 01:32:02 GMT, "Travis"
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Tom Jaszewski wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:21:41 GMT, "Travis"
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Compost tea is hogwash. Just plain old compost would be much
better.


So Travis another one of your silly one liners....

You and Paggers are welcome to your silly opinions, bsed on no
experience....

For those with open minds...

Just post the peer reviewed publications not all those yahoo group
citations.


Travis,

I'm really not much intersted in convincing you of anything. Those
links lead to data. If you're not willing to use the yahoo group links
to the studies I could give a shit...

Fact is

You don't deal with facts. You deal with vendor folklore, sales pitches
which you may or may not personally believe but which originate from
flimflam artists, & range from totally untrue assertions to exaggerations
of smaller truths. In their elaborated forms promulgated by vendors of
compost tea products, there is at most one "fact" for ever fifty false
claims, & that one fact is misrepresented in a context that renders it no
longer factual.

A "fact" would be something like Travis's "Just plain old compost would be
much better." Even a best-case exaggerated scenario for compost tea should
be willing to acknowledge THAT as a fact.

The request for peer-reviewed science is not one that would **** off
vendors off so much if the science supported the claims. Vendors are
wildly enamored of "findings" in non-peer-reviewed & irreproducible
studies. The better the science, the more the vendors assert that science
isn't required.

compost tea is a fantastic soil development tool.

Precisely as watering is a fantastic soil development "tool." Watering the
garden has the exact same influence on microorganism populations as does
C.T. -- not more, not less. When vendors are confronted with this fact,
they add additional alleged values, like the C.T. helps control diseases.
But as Horticulturist Dr Chalker-Scott of the University of Washington,
"In the peer-reviewed literature...field-tested compost tea reported no
difference in disease control between compost tea & water." The two major
claims for C.T.'s "soil development" tend to be lowering of pathogens
maximizing of healthful microorganisms, but insofar as those mayh be
"facts" they are not factuallyh improvements over regular watering, & any
time spent manufacturing tea, & any money wasted on the expensive products
associated with making the tea, is time & money wasted since just keeping
things watered has the exact same value for maximizing microorganisms &
minimizing pathogens.

The only thing C.T. has that plain water does not have are a few tepid
nutrients beneficial sure but vastly inferior to actual compost, indeed
inferior to every other known method of sustaining nutrients in the
garden.

Lots of real
world sustainable growers and farmers are using CT with great success.
If those of us who garden and farm for a living waited for peer review
we would have long ago lost our jobs and farms.

And there you go asserting that science isn't required. What you imagine
here is an utter falsehood. Those who make a living farming keep abreast
of the scientific data in order to improve their methods. Only in the
world of charlatanry are wild claims made for products that have little to
no proven added value. The correct question is does it have ADDED value.
C.T. has no added value. That isn't to say it does nothing whatsoever, but
it does nothing worth expending time & money to achieve since as a
fertilizer it is inferior to every other method & for soil maintenance it
is only equal to watering.

Save your one liners for the amateurs....

Save your "professional" flimflam for the marks. As I said befo

I still remember when Magic Light Box Glasses were being sold all over the
city. If you put the light box on your head & adjusted the flashing lights
for specific colors, you could cure any disease, restore perfect vision, &
become increasingly intelligent. But of course that New Age tinfoil hat
style flimflam didn't simultaneously benefit a facilitating industry, the
way the Compost Tea fad is facilitated by nurseries. *This one I'm afraid
will be ripping people off for a long time to come.

-paggers
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