On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:48:28 -0700, Tom Jaszewski
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:08:36 GMT, Bourne Identity
wrote:
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Tom, with all due respect, microbes exist in all healthy soils

That's a good one, how many yards after years of "educated" chemical
use have "healthy soils"?

People who used chemicals do not have healthy soils. I made that
clear. Hey, I am on your side.

and can
be obtained with the application of healthy compost (not biosolids).

Composts can vary greatly and results like with tea can be mixed
unless we can control the biological makeup. BTW we can do that to a
point!

Yes, I agree, but I also said "healthy" compost. So, what people
should learn is who is making it, what is used, was it set up in wind
rows, innoculated, etc.

Clearly, I did not use aerobic comnpost tea in '93 and when I stepped
on a cultivator clear through my foot, I was infected with myriad
mycobacterium for 18 months.

I'm not sure what that proves...that mycobacterium were present
especially those that will infect humans...doesn't sound very balanced
to me! :)

In particluar, M. abesssus chelonae and it is associated with animal
manure. My last house was built on someone's farm.

So, while aerobic compost tea is a tool, it is not THE answer to all
gardening problems.

It is a major tool in soil development, and as you know disease and
insect suppression by natural methods are only possible with an
eclectic approach.

victoria

Thomas

Of course, but as we know, people are lazy, lazy, lazy. Not only
won't people take their kitchen waste to the pile, they won't HAVE a
pile. They think it's dirty, disgusting, rotting, smells, you name
it.

I remember on these boards and the boards of Prodigy way back in the
80s when Bargyla Rateaver was called a kook and a nutcase. She PROVED
a root hair can uptake a whole molecule. I have her huge volume here.
Because she published her own work, she was discounted. She dedicated
her entire life to this work and was regarded as a nut.

I'm on your side, you know that. With aerobic tea, people simply
won't make it and when they do, they are probably making it
incorrectly so it's useless for their intentions. That, was my point,
actually. Devil's advocate, so to speak.

Victoria