In article ,
Bourne Identity wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:53:40 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
wrote:

Ah, but it's ok if your livelihood is destroyed by the coyotes, because
it's wrong to kill them. Then when all the wildlife and livestock is
destroyed, the coyotes will starve to death.

But since that's "natural", it's ok.

Right?

:-P

Well, I personally wouldn't have a livelihood which involved the
slaughter of animals, I'm vegetarian and working at transitioning into
veganism.

Some people breed animals for pets.
They coyotes don't distinguish.

Coyotes even eat cats and dogs.
Those are not livestock.

Neither are toddler humans.

I hardly think people who run animals over for sport, using
their snowmobile, are doing it to save their livelihood.

They are culling the pack.

And since
you asked, no, it's not okay with me if an animal kills another animal
even if it's natural. It rips my heart out just thinking of the lives
which are ended in brutal violence so other animals can eat. I cringe
if I see a bear eating a salmon,

That's mother nature.
Deal with it.
Mother nature can be a bitch, but she also keeps us all alive.

or if I see a human gunning for an
animal for fun. It's really bad karma.

I never kill for sport.
I kill for food, and to protect my chickens.
If that's bad karma, I'll pay for it in my next life.
So be it.

In the meantime, I get to enjoy my laying flock without finding little
piles of feathers in my chicken yard every morning and spending tons of
money on racoon or coyote food.

The way karma works is that
when you kill, you will be killed. It may not be in this life, but it
will ripen in any life when the conditions present themselves.

So be it.

A
coyote was once a human who killed coyotes with their snowmobile.

In _your_ tradition.
In mine, human and animal spirits are separate.
Cruelty to animals still builds bad Karma (and payback) and the 3 fold
law is worse than anything you could possibly come up with. ;-)
If he is truly killing for "sport", not for culling, that is wrong. If I
kill to protect my flock and the gods see fit to punish me for it, so be
it...


So,
as a Buddhist, I refrain from doing those sorts of things to prevent
being born in the animal realms. You may not believe in karma, and
that's okay too,but even Christ loved all living things and didn't
intentionally kill any of them to help them not starve.

I'm not a Christian.

And nothing in the bible ever said that Christ was a vegetarian.

He at fish for one thing.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson